From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Subject: Re: Staying on-topic Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 21:00:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87efxad48h.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20170323054600.GA18841@jocasta.intra> <87pogxcl13.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877f33hj7i.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87inmnc9x2.fsf@gmail.com> <87bmsesy2a.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59297) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cukjq-000308-FC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 15:00:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cukjp-0000Jj-LC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 15:00:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bmsesy2a.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2017 09:07:09 -0500") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Christopher Allan Webber Cc: guix-devel Christopher Allan Webber writes: > Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer writes: > >> That's why I was worrying. I think it's fine to ban misgendering, on >> the condition that, should a female-born person feel insulted at the use >> of feminine pronouns for a male-born person, that too should be banned, >> effectively forcing neutral pronouns so the project takes no sides. > > The Code of Conduct's reflection of gendering, and how it applies to > (mis)gendering is referring to this type of thing: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTransphobia&oldid=3D773143= 601#Misgendering_and_exclusion > > I think the code of conduct is pretty clear about it: > > We are committed to making participation in this project a > harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of > [...] gender, gender identity and expression [...] > > "Gender identity and expression" is pretty clear: trans-exclusionary > behavior doesn't belong here. > > It's very simple: respect peoples' preferred pronouns and *drop this > subject*. This topic is over, and that's been signaled as such from > the maintainers and many other people in this community. Please don't > reopen it. If the project takes this ideological side, then it effectively excludes some women who find this to be sexist. Are the Guix maintainers fine with that? Taylan