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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641923796; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=XzVrAuHQxE0nfjMCuIZgPwdV4JoZCuBnmofhPzl5Oz8=; b=At/ujMUG9jIfKt8Q9mlmKbcHds88djxVADELJBFaFPvyUZCbE+QSNmbOoKo4lk23qsZAAv rxvyuZqo6N2cgbmYFrCVzHWy3Mg6gn0k6JKHxWQjE3KkX4E8ohOg3cNfVUp0G8IYNJ8nan qSZ3HJLr+NR6sogBxXvKf25oMlS9PS3eT5VEv+2DyqUa1XNKKIGcfKqgavO3E1urNpzkSn ATW1rmrza0UxlZsonDTb0Sg/wZgaFfTRKhd+hCzArbjj82JF5Vi5wH4QHYg+lTjwTJTAiy KaOUa8tFVNSkHMA81YTSVcdngnlp20l49/E5vbN2DDfi/5SKmTrgoYad9Cjb2w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641923796; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ZeTJXG+CCFLVk6P32EVPHRNpLFd7ALsr6puLfWnuVq3wjT/2Z9yQ/H1x4NlxOn5fQMgkuh E4wXwEw9Toifkhoqjp+5WzprJ9YX8ChiCblzwoIjoYiqe8+Sq0A4HrPFk4SeeeLa375mPC qDn/e9BU+XE3+KS3S0E7RiFb9kFXD74KUwlN7/VShtOytZmuEYrRiIXywVKaMs883mZbxE J3RyrYjqrZP2ffiq3PLRULOLmwiMQsPzvlbLy1BJ7UZdc0ykZ5wX/G6FZEG/KurScLtNu4 +pDAwQTej+JgfWmoxYYjM8WzrzSDPkyMlrAmV/FeV90i1VeVQRENJBkhAVM9AA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b="Z/9Yr/P+"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.92 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b="Z/9Yr/P+"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A1B8329449 X-Spam-Score: -7.92 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: FZ06gsYioCME --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Simon, all, I'll give your long and thoughtful reply the attention it deserves=20 when I have time, but there's another misleading tangent that has=20 bothered me (elsewhere) in this discussion: > - cathedral, as it is today This is revisionist. The Bazaar model perfectly describes Guix,=20 where everyone is free to submit changes and have them critiqued=20 and revised in public. Even maintainers are expected to submit.=20 Changes that meet $criteria are merged into a source tree=20 immediately available to everyone. Guix has never used the Cathedral model, where patch submission=20 and discussion happen behind closed doors, to be released unto the=20 public as a revelation from on high. =E2=80=98People push nontrivial changes without review=E2=80=99 was never a= =20 condition of the Bazaar model or what made it successful. The=20 book was based on LKML, for heaven's sake! :-) We can find a cute new name for what's being proposed in this=20 thread (the Wailing Wall model?), but simply declaring =E2=80=98the Bazaar= =20 is called Cathedral now, change my mind=E2=80=99 can't work. 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