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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1642520797; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=tsL2gagc/i+jviZbgbx6GGUobdJgGY2qbtfCJC+laj0=; b=S9B8N3G7ejxTTSN9lndWXFhrSNpO2Y4BThoxUOQqMQj9ji7CAL7HRF7sKGxLcQ823OB5MA S3bM0y9+Uw3P90UeQdPMOubX7u99XhUJgjyTaQKwG6zHbX5tuD9Cbt4MI4e9ruTYSfbILv vJx/PO4e5MWwZyMFNnXaL5YggMWVvYu/6D097HEyMRCJrB8EkCzqua82KHiZdjFZ26I4Q6 DK3jyymBLINw2KWuPTbhxpw9KMWKLFDmC5oXe7+hpKIETNcsADBvCtHHmRVttc13vVFlxZ kOcvdi0lg7hgnpZrPYnigC5H3KFdlUF9RNiHwkJ8ly0v8jIljwa/b5uf8CkP5g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1642520797; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hkIUZnUKQ6iDrAC8CQTA/H4LGs9D+6OnZHIbjZjUXPWNHP2CaKUe6MqulFpho2RbfcSIRT x9E0YWJiq/vdJ/0M+iFvp/FzJhET7qWxFxuMXKZxNtTZRHO8ICgRM1nZ7J5yuswBqB0wZ5 1vVbi6XIeD5gqAFe1TtDsSwDayeboOmHH88GQdmTt5Dm/sCa6hGx2xB5vmRVM6htaRUoHK tURi6MMISMTg33okYm5y3+9DL8zXgaEk4cpXWq984hC1POo5k6581CJ0r8ehKYxZuPYui3 O8DcJdaItD8nWncA+fx1iXmS84IGnnWM8q6BsvpDnwoUs2K6HRSHvuAr9QuiJQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 891A442BAA X-Spam-Score: -4.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: YTadHKCwSBrx Hi, Matt skribis: > ---- On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 18:18:25 -0500 Ricardo Wurmus wrote ---- > > > This is where we disagree. I=E2=80=99ve wasted so much time in my life > > following outdated or wrong instructions on forums or wikis. I really > > don=E2=80=99t want to see anything half-baked anywhere near this proje= ct. There > > are few things that frustrate me more than well-meaning but misleading > > advice. >=20=20 > Do you know that the libreplanet wiki is linked to from the main Guix pag= e? https://guix.gnu.org/ > Help > Wiki We are aware of this wiki; it has its uses, such as synchronizing for FOSDEM, GSoC, and other events, but we never intended to use it for documentation. It=E2=80=99s unfortunate that your reply to Ricardo dismisses their advice.= It really boils down to this: read bits of the manual and cookbook that matter to your use cases, articulate what you think is missing or poorly structured, and propose changes or new text. It=E2=80=99s much easier to make progress looking at concrete, focused chan= ges than in the abstract. Thanks in advance, Ludo=E2=80=99.