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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1640190546; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=QqH5Z390BQwJCNi81vS3AbSiMEZKcSf8BhQ+45ptJAc=; b=oXhB3f0C/kg81lXVMFiLPECT8uTHOcHVYUg5Ch6ttN9Cbk84OlHBOnf46avv+UHdGZdwWg vjnhK3DT5T4yRSSP3Zyp89Uk2qmSs2EMhOmAcsZLrmNxzLu6QkcnYTFhtYlskFVLTf6+VY OlreLQRrqAy38rdCzDgmKMxXk6rWSNlT9giAp/0s9IQ2za8TCoYSb32VKZBmSiemAyMy9s PXDHKpZ4ciUQPr5Dw4dObB5uP2AlTSB32wbKjEzqaU3VXLkViTxfw+lIt4elYDkfSxAOyF 7pTDhYsW0j7AlCpgzCb9jtwZXzspXOBdqdimgSAtf5keNDCgB3oKUwZPgL2GXw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1640190546; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Mtr7deU7bsqkTRufr2Spjwm9C4vigz6EVXOU4B8tmhY7VcWutxXlIY6huUy7T/i3IyF96n t9zhVUoKRjt01qdKuSg21967OBajRgAc0BdADOCpuDQe+0rSbAJxyZguE/qulMeJqbACRJ Q3Rf0yNMBnhwA+PDc7PC5g739hpXwPlT2L2rLpMigI5wkFVBx8xINqfo+DAcpXTCFjkNp0 GC7L4Uen/0tY7y/ZRac5fsSi6qjBDnImKEQF14679Hi+rkh/a7il+DPPmzNh+9TwSddp49 vUHB++kJIvRaTwYgqWBjukBy+nZTkXZ0EPbv/aIm56/dplSfEUADrea3iDEUbw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=haBrAuIr; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=libre.brussels (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.44 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=haBrAuIr; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=libre.brussels (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F3F421843 X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: K1e0t3sguRSx Its certainly worth developing more formal clusters. It would be wise to try and make concerns and research interconnected - lest we create silos that communicate with other groups less. Jonathan McHugh Jack Hill writes: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2021, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > >> Hello Guix! >> >> I=E2=80=99ve been looking at our guix-patches backlog, at the great >> contributions we get but that stick there for too long, certainly >> discouraging people, and also at non-code initiatives (meetups, Guix >> Days, Outreachy, documentation, etc.) that we as a project could often >> support and encourage better, wondering how we could improve. >> >> I=E2=80=99ve been inspired by how the Rust folks approach these issues, = in >> particular as described here: >> >> https://blog.m-ou.se/rust-is-not-a-company/ >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT1t4zGJYUuY >> (RacketCon 2019 talk by Aaron Turon) >> >> One idea that I like is to bring structure to the group, or rather to >> make structure visible, so that newcomers know who they can talk to to >> get started on a topic, know who to ping for reviews, and so that each >> one of us can see where they fit. Rust has well-defined teams: >> >> https://www.rust-lang.org/governance >> >> Guix is nowhere near the size of the Rust community (yet!), but I can >> already picture teams and members: >> >> co-maintainers (=E2=80=9Ccore team=E2=80=9D) >> community >> infrastructure >> internationalization >> security response >> release >> Rust packaging >> R packaging >> Java packaging >> >> In Rust, teams are responsible for overseeing discussions and changes in >> their area, but also ultimately for making decisions. I think that=E2= =80=99s >> pretty much the case with the informal teams that exist today in Guix, >> but that responsibility could be made more explicit here. They >> distinguish teams from =E2=80=9Cworking groups=E2=80=9D, where working g= roups work on >> actually implementing what the team decided. >> >> How about starting with a web page listing these teams, their work, >> their members, and ways to contact them? Teams would be the primary >> contact point and for things that fall into their area and would be >> responsible for channeling proposals and advancing issues in their area. >> >> What do people think? >> >> Aaron Turon nicely explains that at first sight it has a bureaucratic >> feel to it, but that in practice it does help a lot in many ways, from >> onboarding to channeling change without losing consistency. >> >> Ludo=E2=80=99. > > +1 from me. I think that it is natural that as we grow (yay!) we'll > need a little bit more structure. It would be wise to not overdo it > and create too many teams to start with, but I have nevertheless > brainstormed some additional teams: > > * Documentation/Communication/Cookbook Recipes > * Desktop Environments > > Best, > Jack