From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id MOvkMUPklGI8owAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 30 May 2022 17:35:31 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id 0CrdMUPklGKU2wAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 30 May 2022 17:35:31 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B3AABCF3 for ; Mon, 30 May 2022 17:35:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59070 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvhQY-0001M9-Jj for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 11:35:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvhPt-0001Lz-2O for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 11:34:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvhPr-0001wI-6I; Mon, 30 May 2022 11:34:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=fTYORLJQWh3n1P4FSJ4+JMRW4XX/3KPyvNuTxHKGUos=; b=KfQe0R5XPjCnmpvyPg5l 3I7RdGk9UCOaAxtm28acRkNoOA4NO0QBcHC0WKJYu5+AbEJMO7dujgtlD8Le0gTKy2aSfyAULeK5A 9ojc7UZs4Vj24wNDBh5c/ayiDnPnIv4FS1cadYaUBnciZPfjik2T9ti3NezqMDLsClNFeQIANI7Vw yIUSs5YvmyTaJ1ZBjIIwv2iB27nAjTF786fjdO2j7GYmjn1NLvYHkouETqsHHHiQJEXxJJRTAZLXM S6oDmSKNsFddLlQ9JfR1yNf5CaUXl9XjjXzBm8q8R/FsX6NcX8SQDMgutkzXGdSaY60jnHAk+qADB Puz2UAwIGWmqGg==; Received: from [193.50.110.143] (port=54852 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvhPp-000539-B2; Mon, 30 May 2022 11:34:46 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Maxime Devos Cc: Tanguy LE CARROUR , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Finding a =?utf-8?B?4oCcZ29vZOKAnQ==?= OpenPGP key server References: <164966505518.14431.3309259068866383863@localhost> <87tuaqw36n.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Primidi 11 Prairial an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9vo?= =?utf-8?Q?lution=2C?= jour de la Fraise X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 17:34:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Maxime Devos's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 18:19:05 +0200") Message-ID: <87czfv2fvw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1653924931; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=fTYORLJQWh3n1P4FSJ4+JMRW4XX/3KPyvNuTxHKGUos=; b=ZKlZIPT0hGwSwb9RuYj6BdI1Xyryz0UpBeSSYkggAxRrROU1OVpSvoNFi3EZXHS7FtUmej QdudC5BERqIB7YzWbCOQ75hDcGCVapfXXaGnYoWV6Dk1bOFKrDKN7xK/X4/MUcWAXZjVTU 299snJ8Uhg5b/U8Lw7ABflMVMJDvAhI6NTwgcw1q1VIMtmqPg+Niz7aAXXVfdflVZZxAkK 3z+RD7/ePif8eeAZuMvLKZiHDHj4+PWYW7rQqflnLTPHPkkuV+qZ7Ojxlnhua//lLa76qp nwaMFU1hlmGRbUpMKyoj2DmYG7lLmnQdXiTn5Bjc5yOuPWZYSIYU6hXg6yxIcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1653924931; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=r9yGBOT2ZZ+42LD/wan+pVivAKqWk+iwZEsvvhvQ9HP/aOwdEo/CKYdavYpaPWFcaba8Rz zUbmHXqVJ6xf/UulqPhF7KSlCkLsz1J+DyjaGOd0v+lGACFSKZrhieFK2RjmjN0vDVbp/3 kpiVmpjiPfA2ni2rVrTcKUfvK0+QSiLPkeElldjT1qCwKegI3QytDpYmc4hNxX9nr60QYS 2Ru+oKApXZPyw8viPs9vvuYSFPAA6ejOPlSfAVJqhndmqpx/o54bRUkRZQIKM3+pFddEZj 8LUQCyHLB2yKmNK4S2/TmvAP8UhlcuQ/CyAsP/2ma/rburFN9r/SNpUAJ7O9Fw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=KfQe0R5X; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.83 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=KfQe0R5X; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5B3AABCF3 X-Spam-Score: -6.83 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 994TzQYgLGUT Maxime Devos skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s schreef op ma 18-04-2022 om 22:24 [+0200]: >> [... guix refresh -u stuff failing due to not finding the key ...] >> I=E2=80=99m not sure what a good solution is (other than looking for the= key >> manually on Savannah or on some random key server). > > Alternatively, why use key servers at all? WDYT of something like > > (package > (name "gnurl") > [...] > (properties > ;; Keys that are considered =E2=80=98trustworthy=E2=80=99 for signing= releases > ;; of gnurl. > `((permitted-pgp-signing-keys "CABB A99E ..." "DEAD BEEF ...") > ;; Locations of PGP key (possibly with some of them pointing to > ;; the same key) > (pgp-key-locations > ,(savannah-pgp-key USER-ID) ... ; most signers are on savannah.gn= u.org > ,(local-file "[...]/someone.pub") ; not easily available from the= Web=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > "https://rando/key.pub" > "ipfs://.../..." "gnunet://...")))) ; download key via P2P networ= ks > > The first part (permitted-pgp-signing-keys) has been suggested previously= and > seems mostly orthogonal, but the second part is new. It would reduce > the dependency on central infrastructure. We could consider key servers > to be =E2=80=98merely=E2=80=99 another fallback. We could also have our own key server. Just like =E2=80=98guix lint -c archival=E2=80=99 triggers SWH archival, we could have a tool that triggers= key download on the server so that crypto material never vanishes. Food for thought=E2=80=A6 Ludo=E2=80=99.