From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id GPXvLxtjmmLU5AAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:38:03 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id uNXoLhtjmmI7XQAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:38:03 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A7831CAC1 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2022 21:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxD7S-0008CU-3H for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:38:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57986) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxD76-0008C7-50 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:37:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxD75-0004bO-AK; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:37:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=pi68mOnA0fYZotP7j/ngTr3PTkT1BUMok6ZK4OqzRXU=; b=deSsF7nOgwyYZzXOwG9u sremGZuIg3JkcxdymP6AiKbUezBEro4mfvijMVdhsvXTDQ4R3bR0InuGOcubqz/pR6cNmqUVWWUOO bQjh56Cw6TLpgdfGZOj4FFG3EgGN0XTDfmlRUkV3XzJuOagOSPg1TqIlU4pBfabcMnByuw7b62EzR dR/JOfshl8+rbZL5RFn2jqzd4u46zWVzETFYZNJ7ax6t+vJC82SQzGhufytG184SNgkhwrbaPSXnr AKeMq95EcmSo1TlpEOXMOy48X85hlZgkWZDcb5Bwihy2ARzwSa8FA44uBLrZ7m28Al6DTlvwY73ii w/nnX84BgKvv0w==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:60688 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxD74-0001BU-TD; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:37:39 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Brian Cully Cc: GNU Guix maintainers , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy References: <87ee07m77w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee06g5s4.fsf@ditto.jhoto.spork.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Quintidi 15 Prairial an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9v?= =?utf-8?Q?olution=2C?= jour de la Caille X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:37:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ee06g5s4.fsf@ditto.jhoto.spork.org> (Brian Cully's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2022 16:22:51 -0400") Message-ID: <87czfpilmn.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654285083; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=pi68mOnA0fYZotP7j/ngTr3PTkT1BUMok6ZK4OqzRXU=; b=dYZcoSfaPzHM6mkPi8UAcp+YvUMGcUUqf6LRMkeY0QqmZ2aGGlCO7X7LkfoVtfRxaVRwlD o42i7aXoeHCLF2D25U+zET2bkjFqHWU/RDCWlno/O7GL5HnnMRozq9TMcvrIFbTQpm3gRW tg3kzg+t8f7VflV0ozFZMPN0IilJC4S1jWYnhOGepgLAbTId5URKhVuFdROfzU1ZeZ5Im1 RRJDBkOvphVkslOyvHcH/hXLiWFi24dSQeZgkfPiBUMPr9Uyoo4cmYWPYscTn37Wq4BaCZ n7Ka+ZEbhVnPq3MretrQoWJorcTt1P4m09XkE0uTe6CxejnN7J06mp+6AN1SEA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654285083; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=thux9qWsHvtv+cNqJJHAopXrg8Zgpd2QrQ7vnmnryKzGIu/A+AOGKm7BAmPBmMmnOENu51 VHsn8LXH7rvic/Iz+F7lIXe3bJ8Z43MTXPT6dtJ4lRY8660PRV33u4zNp1H75hehfb2Np6 kCFaN1+wWg2qPqz0rLDYG6GuBmng4PFWVAI4xDmB+dpPZ7THseiM4UYPyji35zAUCvG2pz 1uCw60wvkB3FZ/e1r4tkdncoJrfFO5Zo+uYdb/jOpMTwI5SAF6vivvzUZJuzayK4KM8NZr aqqh52D2cwUNMB+qAEX0ZZNhjaHvCuK3HSk41xQ3TpzQEpbXSy3kjAQPmYodAA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=deSsF7nO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=deSsF7nO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4A7831CAC1 X-Spam-Score: -6.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: yJ4BZ7bIqSC4 Hi, Brian Cully skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> If you are using Emacs, does debbugs.el have >> shortcomings that make it a problem to review patches? To be clear, the question was directed primarily at current committers. > 1) It=E2=80=99d be nice if =E2=80=98M-x debbug-guix=E2=80=99 existed. I (= briefly) looked at > making such a command, thinking it=E2=80=99d be relatively straight-forwa= rd to > just copy =E2=80=98debbugs-gnu=E2=80=99 and tweak some variables, but whe= n it looked > like it was going to take more than 10 minutes just to figure out how > it was all put together I gave up as I can=E2=80=99t really dedicate time= to > it right now. Try: C-u M-x debbugs-gnu. From there you can choose =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98guix-patches=E2=80=99, or anything else (info "(guix) Debbugs User Interfaces"). > 2) IMHO, the documentation for debbugs is pretty poor. It mostly > relies on GNUS documentation for things like mode help; and while this > makes sense, GNUS is a big, complex package (which is why I use mu4e > instead of it), and it really raises the barrier for understanding > debbugs quite a lot. I find the Debbugs User Guide, plus the docstrings and all, to be good (info "(debbugs-ug) Top"). I use Gnus though so maybe there are issues I just don=E2=80=99t experience. > 3) Even after reading all the documentation I could find, it doesn=E2=80= =99t > seem to work very well for an issue-tracker workflow. I still don=E2=80= =99t > know how to simply reply to a ticket. Let alone how to apply a patch > to my tree (I did see documentation for how to do that to the Emacs > source tree, but that=E2=80=99s not very useful =E2=80=94 also, the key c= ombinations > feel very obtuse and hard for me to remember). > > So, right now, I just use it to browse, since I find it easier than > mumi, but everything else happens with external tools. It=E2=80=99s very > possible my n00b is showing right now and it=E2=80=99s easier to work with > than it seems at first blush, but I=E2=80=99d say that means the document= ation > needs some dedicated, non-GNUS-oriented love. It would be very helpful > if there were a HOWTO, like we used to do in the old days, with how to > use it for simple tasks, and stick it in the info documentation and on > the web. Interesting. Since I already used Gnus before, I didn=E2=80=99t have much = to learn when I started using debbugs.el. I know some people here use debbugs.el with other email clients like mu4e, so perhaps they can comment? We could add guidance in the manual. Thanks for your feedback! Ludo=E2=80=99.