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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -4.40 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2E3235DE39 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.40 X-TUID: HFLtFWRSVYTk Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >> Must we force a single workflow on everyone, even if our track record >> in reviewing and merging doesn=E2=80=99t clearly show that our way is >> superior? > Again, define superior. No, I won=E2=80=99t. I think it=E2=80=99s obvious that our review process = isn=E2=80=99t working *well*. So the argument that our current workflow allows for effective review is dubious. Not saying that you made that claim, just that it=E2=80= =99s hard to convince others of adopting our ways when the results just aren=E2=80=99t great. >> Recall that the reason for my response at this point in the thread is >> your statement: >>=20 >> > Hiding obsolete versions of a pull request is in practice >> > implemented either by pushing more commits on top of the existing >> > one, often with dubious commit messages or by force-pushing a >> > branch, neither of which is an acceptable solution for Guix. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m trying to convey that this workflow is similar to how we wou= ld >> push to wip-* branches and informally discuss open issues out of >> band. (And even in that scenario, we are rather limited by the way >> our shared repository with all-or-nothing permission management >> works.) > I think this is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Exactly. Apples and oranges are both fruit, full of sugar and fiber, and some people prefer one over the other. > Even for our > wip branches, we mostly adhere to the guidelines that govern master, > it's mostly the rule regarding breaking changes that is relaxed. We > wouldn't have well-functioning wip branches if those forewent *all* > communication efforts. The only common ground I can see is that all > feature branches =E2=80=93 or at least those that don't die =E2=80=93 get= merged to the > main branch in either workflow. Yes, that=E2=80=99s my point. --=20 Ricardo