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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616430246; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=4lUQGt012DazmqRgKJPM1aPKR8bhZz7bnbwQrWiMgGc=; b=kbFd6dwN6V3tQhfLIx5w1LT5socxpt/NVcGRwial/mSHuR6ZvWaC3wJufozSGLhTnFzvf7 9utWT11+xWAfP5Vnz9kTAEdLwOfrIEba8Cio+bOAlXVi2yVhJ8xCjGzSzGMdHbZ7p1evNm o5W/QqY7P2DPoUWG4oYpOfBPsnVEAHwLhLpOEntNW49la3+LvVSko+GH1fIfFAXUVGCGvp Vxe4Qmd7IbC3mJ6gSGTcSgrPrANmDahvCC02CTQaL+109IjS7G+7VSQtHpV9IFL3/zsO7e ScTJIs+ikAJ6vlX+5WsHYf6xhVS5zYAfgTp5QZyVxMi07C2MtP2AU0s3/JrZmQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616430246; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=NZ/n0CPS4vbrhbwekEr9ZcAbFdMJbnUsYb3/MOcJHZhzyIQoIGFjJjj5r/fybf3ioDY73R nGdWuuvaQA3hV4gwigKU+KkC1JL53PNow8eh4L8sWaA/BMDfKAkUGnEttTLrlU7AzNbIJW A7VCIa1iXmV1SzmHkD1lMPQWnIo3O0aeTn3sP1EiGHoC/OfKRa+PskX92yMm5uIH7drCCp 8uuhCrwOOlfNSJmUp7+AvBIp4kX1hi4CFidjr112C98/+17mnor8nGLJhDaw8pmk6jTOR9 s/cY9e6UNfDxg7gRaJCViTPaReVGltfaVkFzEa4UX4hLKY8ySofGdhyDD0k15g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.92 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EFA6A1DD2D X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2mwAOvg2TNTi Hi L=C3=A9o, L=C3=A9o Le Bouter skribis: >> Removing a package and its services is not something to do lightly: >> it >> breaks user configs with no recourse. >>=20 >> We must insist on getting more opinions on such matters, and I think >> there just wasn=E2=80=99t enough feedback here. I understand it can be >> frustrating to wait for input, but in such a case, please do. This >> project has always strove for consensus. >>=20 >> Remember that the opinion of those who=E2=80=99ve been taking care of >> security >> issues in Guix for years, those who=E2=80=99ve been maintaining MongoDB, >> those >> who wrote the service and its tests, are invaluable; they must have a >> say. I insist: humbly solicit and wait for their feedback. >>=20 > > I understand, and I did not think it was a light thing to do, no one > mentionned anything we should do for the remove, so I actually do not > know how we handle that but the security/non-free code thing put some > urge into the situation, apologizes for moving on and pushing without > waiting for more feedback, few people gave their feedback on IRC and by > email and that's why I felt more confident doing the actual change. Sure, now you know. :-) For package removal, we have to wait for feedback, pinging people if needed, and waiting longer than usual=E2=80=94security pressure or not. Removing a package can only happen= if there=E2=80=99s some consensus. Thanks for your reply! Ludo=E2=80=99.