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A visitor looking for this kind of information may not think to browse the blog entries. It's also not convenient, since it gets buried deeper and deeper as articles get published. > The =E2=80=9CContributing=E2=80=9D section of the manual discusses specif= ic policies: > > https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Contributing.html This page mentions the code of conduct, which gives some guidelines on communication, but as I understand it, it does not say anything about structure or governance. The code of conduct itself could be expanded. For a start, we could address some characteristic communication issues that have occurred on the mailing list over time. For example, we could add a section on "Accountability !=3D blame", to paraphrase Jelle. Another section (a very important one in my opinion) could be about giving the benefit of the doubt and _ask why_ before policing someone. Food for thoughts! Cheers! =2D-=20 Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAEBCAAwFiEEUPM+LlsMPZAEJKvom9z0l6S7zH8FAmCUJO8SHG1haWxAYW1i cmV2YXIueHl6AAoJEJvc9Jeku8x/D84H/A0DqZ24ZH34vrZPopooJ3i1v6q8QHjH x6Pvdh8Dc092/NASjcmstQFBin2SsSILvRuS+l9leIUS9xLEIiTRqwD8JZ/OdSKR 8PHHJSY45TjhrMQxJQqB2sbPopfJTw4kZBXOHUaieLVHtC/asDlDOXntYz4Q6qhF RHCwSfnNdXCoOQftWx0DUUiKvUMDiml9Iv2HLuNEg6at4hmnA/wB92Ii5sfdArG1 d3ewEcUcYjeRslL3KxTHtjkeVKJYR6NNGK2WIHA52kpcIfg1NHhEAwp1vCSzWie9 oeSNpKHKqBew9/UQM9ERCIOV4PONDLjljhEOl8nOMLdOuOGhbAP5joc= =mo/M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--