From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id UHbsAUtrlmCrdAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 08 May 2021 12:43:23 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id yNMbOUprlmD5UAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 08 May 2021 10:43:22 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF2C11B94 for ; Sat, 8 May 2021 12:43:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:42636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lfKQb-0007Li-Qo for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 08 May 2021 06:43:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lfKQT-0007LR-5e for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 May 2021 06:43:13 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:43611) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lfKQQ-0000bD-Cf for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 May 2021 06:43:12 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 92.169.147.163 Received: from bababa (lfbn-idf2-1-1335-163.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.169.147.163]) (Authenticated sender: mail@ambrevar.xyz) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C1AD1BF204; Sat, 8 May 2021 10:43:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Neidhardt To: Jelle Licht , Ryan Prior , "guix-devel@gnu.org" Subject: Re: Hero culture among Guix maintainers In-Reply-To: <868s4x4aec.fsf@fsfe.org> References: <868s4x4aec.fsf@fsfe.org> Date: Sat, 08 May 2021 12:43:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87bl9l8q14.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.201; envelope-from=mail@ambrevar.xyz; helo=relay8-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.499, PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=1.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620470602; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=/R1R0jKs/76arvBD0ch6mQ34X++LkYvNq/z+Ry/FB4Q=; b=jNgT9k0JFD9t4wgblhVMVjQvtLPeiME2ooedHasxTrlTmTjPQU9AG1XMGYXET3+G15HxAa dQHeQwDhM15U4dCpptuS6bOaMC2wmvCxyYpvqvDAaIE8K1U8hjB5mPIrjmMkckDZEsAme8 JBqzCKZSBybLFQ/WRDNJurl8VOm3RYcYZFhObkPCUpuxVjNaWwT0+Pr7YN0pStSpAizeqq dzlZeg2WGQxalz/GBk5qzBZa7rgbK63F6ct2DWPV5bL01NmivjWZ/bmrvyFOB1DmqDXHee ih+azQKi2fi3mN4pYo9FUlrf8aukZYI1BsVIJxSbjIa63fTBdq+b+X2BnNWOrw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620470602; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=E9yaKLWZoZXoi1cC1RH6heMubhJ4nLMgSYVCv3VWD7CmWK5YYtjvrICO7S79AW8IKbxuuu kf9oihEWdQ0HuHnaqQZEVmnT3chPnF1VUilIEeU/6SnfjjsV20nj3tRZySgJsRuLH6H+G+ rPXp7t6ADww3LAB05V1RNFbI6Oea6J2s5yKM7Uvx9mQaSjoKuL/KhoX9xkRyXJW4OL8DlN 9I6JqHF6YT7rbqLCop8gAjMGfaPA7G847+Uji2JXnzxLlLmYtvCizHAxptbvke+aL9QssO wi0GDy9+PYWlmfRdno20D334MCVAR8n1n0zsjDMRLwbO712Wpo1RVzOxi2lruA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.05 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AEF2C11B94 X-Spam-Score: -2.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: IbqrILF7wsrb --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, > tl;dr: (!=3D 'accountability 'blame), but accountability is essential to > any social endeavour. I agree with Jelle and I find it essential to adopt this stance within the Guix community. I don't think it's made explicit in writing anywhere, maybe we should update the Code of Conduct with a paragraph on the matter? > From my point of view, folks are > given the benefit of the doubt in most cases in the Guix community. I've witnessed cases where it didn't happen; maybe it should be encouraged a bit further. Not sure how though. Publish a blog article maybe? > I'd rather (additionaly) work towards a more sustainable solution, which > I think needs to be an agreement on what accountability (in the context > of Guix) is (or should be!). Good idea! Cheers! =2D-=20 Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAEBCAAwFiEEUPM+LlsMPZAEJKvom9z0l6S7zH8FAmCWazcSHG1haWxAYW1i cmV2YXIueHl6AAoJEJvc9Jeku8x/LmIH/iTNzqsNW60AkoT4jzHZpfcK95lvKBtu OO17cIK63U5DbDyGCgpWLm36FvaGyK8NmFqGxTTt728AHa5VhxFB+KJXF2TW51Fe fkkB6ABdX+piwJFtOZ7bnNLQMS2YvIdZoWUdH4U0u3tDPSjKvYm0t2nlDQEQheJr 9ui/cSBUNoBCuHcKXdMqPnYnA8zv94/sT9nJXszSal/kbeYcXFxxZgEUaHWF5e7p j9a6Kz3iXeFpCdQ8ltqNH6OtN/QU9Svz6VNtYnzPKKsb8IoIA6NBfRfTTO85t0fG hQO+SLGloFSWjWDYriNTU5ydFW6+dzfg3w+K5lqhLKFVc2ul0hpONFo= =YK5N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--