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RFC? (Re: Effectively force all GNOME users to locally compile ZFS?) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, raid5atemyhomework@protonmail.com, Domagoj Stolfa Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1637688600; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=iS/R+/ymehvuOrsv9mqVydLtM9DHimhPtBVcqBherOU=; b=A82Lc5icHnT0aebqpHmO1wfYGE4tkKxfTomebjRf54co1Cg6xOUGwecJGZ9mk6yncO5Tz3 u8YUO5CnC8i7BfqCORMn34hEau9i5dH2fIeJVm6x3BhQPfFftH91upBAwr17lvv2c/WSUg v2zP9J9vXOcBxAkr7rB08DegpjAM55XkZSj+bT8Ccsh85M7bUA3gaJVXjl0AuYMXBQUsK0 J2lr6v0c+CH1EyV8U8fcIek7hAcK9SkS0K0cRpYI4tsOp7KGcKzXNlgn3qc5UlLFIYr4vh 0s1b87Cs5BIiV7N+Lx5bjfSG5u/Cf/4s8LNbRYh3LGFIlyewhJWKqE4cInumZg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1637688600; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=e9FYzEix23Tgzza1fp9YP+iVZdlEK4wmrmXLz4b1I/LzmiZTLUGm5x/dGijqDmUcMhIPek htCZ/llnAyZEkn3f363Pg27jm/I3t6p2zZnzJt9IRh/CSlQfyX30z0TT1jW59pS1HbUxKs hdwtWHQF/n+BNe3U7Q19sZLOMeuLN/e/w5YtFsL7ap3JCBZ3vEwcLELpl3MTnC1tHsSU85 wyQn3pQ/qYSiU9bvFBST6TAeSCtYmO/X0/lfI4BwpdmH3SAIoTvxTWfEmTJ1vpDUgZx1fs Qen/uIpDWRuhSevUd1SoxIw4JJO0ujKDreSoS5y+9AjJQBd1Bk5j0QzcxRcP/w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=DRo3GEcJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.29 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=DRo3GEcJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1FFEE1330D X-Spam-Score: -5.29 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: eyKeOhtsDgDL Hi, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 11:54:15AM +0100, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrot= e: >> raid5atemyhomework wrote patches to add ZFS to Guix >> . I put them in CC. That there is >> no decision on ZFS and their patches is bad. Maybe their patches >> would be for the RFC model to decide? The decision to include zfs-on-linux, but not provide substitutes, was made long ago. Then there was a discussion in this very thread where I think (but I don=E2=80=99t remember precisely) there was consensus on not having GNOME d= epend on zfs-on-linux, because that=E2=80=99s just inconvenient as everyone would= have to build zfs-on-linux from source. As for raid5atemyhomework=E2=80=99s patches, it=E2=80=99s just that reviewi= ng such patches takes time, a number of round trips, and that it=E2=80=99d be bette= r to get input from zfs-on-linux users. I don=E2=80=99t think the patches change anything to the initial decision above. > Then who decides? When consensus cannot be met, maintainers have the last say. But again, my understanding is that there=E2=80=99s no new decision to be m= ade here. Rather, there=E2=80=99s review work to be completed=E2=80=94Maxime already = did a lot of that=E2=80=94and commitment from ZFS-savvy people to maintain it going forw= ard. I hope this clarifies the situation a bit! Ludo=E2=80=99.