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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649861273; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Bg8H5DBx/1M/rn2TkQbPN6lVU8vdd3MizutBHXKb+wM=; b=hBZwIacmJIcj/vK4k8Ypaa8YJKqWSOmtKUh6o/30oFhQ55n1MHwJJ/PIeL+gkIezd8njMY IKOivYWMr6pCnTM8bDNaD0DoKCyvpWU10U4O6BhFOt5Kx9H8FeBau38grH1ns28oZKEqfs YPT92rvOF+i0fQTCHp+yu5XegYW5bpbo1xw+sIPkHiSTOHlQIb6WQMTBA9Mf2F4tc75+hJ mVXvhEcVL8oXezeT9CBSHgLIcip71K4MEn/yNllAjc0hh/NHTXE/MZRizUnKMCE2nWvAnR Ou3YhzaXD1qoZfzVE2+27QUaaUiOnFXnX6W3Wr6OQ/SvjoaBzPnEXkClhLbAtQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649861273; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Z9/Nsl+n2fBuV15emFGhB1/9FjV9uCeud9F5fw7/9XYZ23UnpqyYudgjG+Yebb9RbtM+b0 ClSu9NIgKNNranBZrPyOCdXP1cuSNXtGm+Ix6qs/Mz1F0A4mAYS2P7WHtmeCv8/eAB/bsK JPJ3zrvA+RhUeHQbqslv6mY/eoRWXDhLt7DhRE1Z+9aS62khXIjKV6/CB7Z63C5Tk8Xu3/ 91zQb3vKrEMSWMV4nzWJoGih0SSJaQHX9tfeJhfUBYXr6RP2Q0QglfmJj0Fzw9XKlG0iM2 wlbn+HizB0yxZ/cYPC94hhfGdpEh8tim3UwDzaV9l05SNDctg1REIGr+bueiPg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=HnSBhK0C; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.05 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=HnSBhK0C; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4630414F85 X-Spam-Score: -3.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 6pmxbQsGFzF/ Vagrant Cascadian writes: > On 2022-01-09, Matt wrote: >> Concern 7: the manual can easily be read and modified while offline >> >> This is another good point. Things shouldn't be tied to the >> internet. >> >> Fortunately, most wikis allow users to download the wiki (apart from >> tools like wget). >> >> Unfortunately, the manual requires users to have a full system >> install and either commit rights or an extended conversion in order >> to modify. To quote the Wikipedia on wikis, >> >> "All that people require to contribute is a computer [including a >> mobile device], Internet access, a web browser, and a basic >> understanding of a simple markup language (e.g. MediaWiki markup >> language)" > > There are definitely wikis which use fairly simple markup > (e.g. markdown) and can usefully be read and updated online via a web > interface and git offline or online. The one I'm most familiar with is > ikiwiki (available in guix), though don't have a lot of experience > updating it via the web interface. > > > live well, > vagrant Personally this is what I'd consider the primary concern before a wiki can be considered even remotely seriously. While some wikis allow you to download the database, the vast majority do not allow you to export or import diffs & modifications (mediawiki's own support for this feature seems to be underdocumented), so what you get is a lot less useful than even just a directory hierarchy with a bunch of markdown files like some projects and forges do for their docs. Other than ikiwiki and [fossil][1] I don't know of any wiki that supports these features. 1: https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/wikitheory.wiki