From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:403:478a::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id wJYjA7HP9GTqcwAAauVa8A:P1 (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 20:25:53 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:403:478a::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id wJYjA7HP9GTqcwAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 20:25:53 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC1D1338BF for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 20:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=ZIh+wjl4; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1693765553; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=FYR1R04nr7yTZz67kFXxd9GJ6c5mIdmpVLdLhAeL1lQ=; b=FW/+NIiQTBGo8nwANFY31gBvzbieT8J7rFPPBG/xChoXKX1XdiZKg7ry2N1pxpet29LaSP r8mB3kAatR+6hcb/lJ5u+UUX84iPRk/YhX/bNyJSqU1ENR9RJ6e9o9e8WYx9XAwfYkmOmg 5lqdFGH7xQEmYRogr86JljOra3FM9rP6eGEY6I4V4b9qcaWkfVja170++qrq+RHHODpyBL kiaq/Lz0xV5iXM6I+C7EIPLE1V+zylRUTshKQJqg/pJxJ3STHqOu9G1/g2ETzUYnGb9QFK YDHfd3lJRhaPGg/+0TGtGVNzrSRL2S7E8Ad+4i5fJT/wDMSl/WgnOwRxbsmw0w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1693765553; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=lD3U1aAcNYemoK25Tl9mWo1KkqDXu++aEtJO49kJWDVfN20XWle8hcUrbMhzOH03luqyvm wYqQnWirVLtNLYBwRxjOOD4wYePO9MBqz+WHu0uarzXyJZ7vq6J5s45rJdxTLc7M189De3 SHSOHaGBD3zOY9I6fK9K3LdQLJkJqOpxFiGYvnJ3J9c+ieBnGrxPNs3PXnAYb2zNl65vAW yHJb9pDl/0LRyNtCInNjWVw/WCMiAJmJhm9lwDFrsu9VXi0IoN3SNXanN/cvikXqrS+8IG YZPmHR+SRMpaJF1FT7bIY+8MH2qvyja9pjD+15Utcfw9a8zOWUdu1bNmWZG4Qg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=ZIh+wjl4; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcrmk-0000nw-8U; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 14:25:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcrmj-0000mV-06 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 14:25:21 -0400 Received: from mx0.riseup.net ([198.252.153.6]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcrmg-0006lH-EM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 14:25:20 -0400 Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Rf0Ym64WCz9t74; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 18:25:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1693765516; bh=9aCpVMZE4aIkXHWpcLFvHJzlvo8YJ7ukR1gmwnf4dH0=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=ZIh+wjl4F7vEZsLKeQGo9Y/ksm8ZKeRFZTV6orJrSyDKIDuVAcfV4njPpNa1bQxr0 HTZ/O9kJ6m1M7SDCeV3fRZL1KZK7p83aXR4BWRO8tXkcYyc/8nmrLX0YgS0aKfl/QV XA7+/R8Y8bDKzTUyvGxUOUtwMMDKKV0KL+nrl3Ag= X-Riseup-User-ID: 2EF9D30721D3065CD9B3900A867C2369DBCBF82245E31EDBC2DCCAE9A088FDE6 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Rf0Ym1BmyzFqgr; Sun, 3 Sep 2023 18:25:15 +0000 (UTC) References: <871qfsuvad.fsf@gmail.com> <8e74c4ac-a6f3-9127-7e13-593a2eb70432@gmail.com> <87a5ubqxm6.fsf@gmail.com> <877cp8965f.fsf@xelera.eu> <87pm30tu3z.fsf@riseup.net> <87zg23bss4.fsf@elephly.net> <87msy3bl4v.fsf@elephly.net> From: Csepp To: Ricardo Wurmus Cc: paul , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: How can we decrease the cognitive overhead for contributors? Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 20:18:22 +0200 In-reply-to: <87msy3bl4v.fsf@elephly.net> Message-ID: <87bkej6rnb.fsf@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.6; envelope-from=raingloom@riseup.net; helo=mx0.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.78 X-Spam-Score: -5.78 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DC1D1338BF X-TUID: nm9VMWa21Jvt Ricardo Wurmus writes: > paul writes: > >>> Please go ahead and package the rest of Sourcehut, so we can host it and >>> finally forget about Mumi and Debbugs. >> >> Again, this is not a competition between Sourcehut and Mumi. This is a >> discussion between adults that care very much about the same >> philosophical and political points about technological control and >> autonomy. > > You seem to have managed to miss my point. I emphatically agree that > there is no competition. > > As the original author of Mumi I want it to become obsolete as it > clearly has outlived its usefulness and better alternatives exist. The > way to get there is to add the replacement to Guix so we can host it. > > I won=E2=80=99t contribute to Mumi any more. Giving it up doesn=E2=80=99= t hurt my > feelings. I=E2=80=99d be glad to see it gone. I think given the lack of dev resources, it's impressive that Mumi works as well as it does, but I'm glad that we have some rough-consensus that something better is needed. I'll try to pick up the Sourcehut packaging, now that I know there is a chance it would be accepted.