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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Felix Lechner From: Felix Lechner via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 226D918EE6 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.24 X-Spam-Score: -6.24 X-TUID: puoe2oeiVyJY Hi Vagrant, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > I have to cut myself off now. Please feel free to keep going. Out of the dozens of comments here, including my own, yours was the most valuable. +1 to your fatigue with LLM hype; to the critique of the excess expenditure of precious resources; to the legal/social observations; and also to the balance of your message. Thank you for saving me from having to write all that myself! Kind regards Felix