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From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Ekaitz Zarraga Cc: Christine Lemmer-Webber , "Thompson, David" , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there In-Reply-To: (Ekaitz Zarraga's message of "Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:38:36 +0200") References: <6daee7b4-a5d6-4f80-bbfa-995e65e17ae0@elenq.tech> <87r083ht4p.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87ldyar4we.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Octidi 8 Brumaire an 233 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volu?= =?utf-8?Q?tion=2C?= jour de la =?utf-8?Q?Scorson=C3=A8re?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:04:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87bjz2mrxx.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.09 X-Spam-Score: 0.09 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 40F0F18F0E X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: dwla9S/ZO+Ev Hi, Ekaitz Zarraga skribis: > On 2024-10-26 22:22, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > >> We have enough money, about 50k=E2=82=AC currently at the FSF plus a cou= ple >> thousand =E2=82=AC at Guix Foundation=E2=81=B0. > > So we rely on the FSF for the funding, mostly. To be clear, the FSF is not sponsoring Guix or funding its development; it is acting as a fiscal sponsor (read: a bank) here. [...] >>> - Is the Guix Foundation the way to do it? >> It is one way to do it, yes. > > Should we invest on making it **The Way**? My personal take: yes, we should do that. > 0. Is the donate page in guix.gnu.org up to date? Maybe we should make > sure it is, and maybe include the Guix Foundation? > > 1. Adopt an RFC process. I think it's valuable. > > 2. Decide if we want to invest on the Guix Foundation: > - What is the status of it? Is it a fully functional organization? > - Can we use the Guix Foundation for, for example, Tax exempt > donations in the EU? And the US? Maybe some famous streamer could > use their platform to make fundraisers for the Guix > Foundation. (see what the Zig Software Foundation does) > - Could we use the Guix Foundation to make a minimal Business (I > hate that word) model to make a Guix-based product to get funds to > improve Guix itself? Say, make a Guix hosting service? Currently > most of us are throwing money to corporations for our small > servers and would be happy to redirect that to something we love, > while also having a great Guix based workflow. > - Or maybe some of us could make that model and donate all or part > of the profits to the Guix Foundation? (I think owning the > hardware helps a lot) > > 3. Once we have money we can use, choose some people to maintain the > infrastructure and pay them. > - Can we really afford our machines? (are we paying for all of them? > what are we going to do with the ones that are in a basement > somewhere?) > - Is Guix sustainable? > > 4. Maybe decide if we want to have paid > maintainers/security-maintainers or committers (or teams!). > > 5. Relieve weight from people that have too much on their shoulders. I > won't name names, but some of you are in the border to the burnout. > - How could the rest of us mitigate that? Maybe it's time to speak > and ask for help. > > 6. Propose more committers. Encourage committers to review patches, > and also non-committers! (Steve, you are doing a valuable thing) > > 7. Add documentation about Guix's infrastructure to the Contributing > section of the manual, so anyone can pay attention to that part of > Guix too. I'll try to do that myself, if someone else is committed to > commit it ;) > > Those points we could act on in the short/mid-term, or at least give > us some direction. > > What do you think, am I missing something? > Maybe some of the calls to action you don't like? Are they practical enou= gh? I have reservations regarding #3: we have enough money for machines but not for people, and we=E2=80=99re not set up to pay people apart from bounties/stipends maybe. But really: all good directions to invest in and points to address, I agree! Ludo=E2=80=99.