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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.48 X-Spam-Score: -9.48 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ABDAE842AF X-TUID: 1UdSFQv0xAQ9 Hi Greg, Greg Hogan writes: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:43=E2=80=AFPM Suhail Singh wrote: >> >> Suhail Singh writes: >> >> > The issue, as I see it, is the time commitment required from the >> > release-team. >> >> Correction, the issues (IMO) are (in no particular order): >> 1. the timespan (several weeks) >> 2. uncertainty around total effort >> 3. amount of manual effort involved >> >> It's unclear which of the three above is the rate-limiting-step. > > There is also access to hardware. From doc/release.org: > > "Steps #2 and #3 require you to have offloading set up so you can > build for all the supported architectures. For instance, if you=E2=80=99= re > running this on an x86_64 machine, you should have ~armhf-linux~, > ~aarch64-linux~ and ~powerpc64le-linux~ machines in your > =3D/etc/guix/machines.scm=3D. Transparent emulation via QEMU has shown > limits (such as causing test suite failures); real hardware is a > must." Indeed, at least for the person running 'make release'. > The project download page no longer lists PowerPC, but powerpc64le is > still included among the 1.4.0 binaries. Can the armhf release > artifacts be built on aarch64? That fails for some packages but might > work for releases. I think the Guix binary release can be built from aarch64; we've never had true armhf offload machines, as far as I know. --=20 Thanks, Maxim