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From: Jeremiah@pdp10.guru
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:54:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a86fuscs.fsf@ITSx00.pdp10.guru> (raw)

> Thinking about it, what I want to achieve is that we can take the
> latest git tree and bootstrap by building guix and packages. This
> should be easy, since I have guix running, but it is not. And the main
> trouble is that the underlying build packages can differ over time. I
> am looking at gcc versions and guile versions.  I.e., we are building
> on shifting sands. How unguixy!

It is worse than that, Janneke and I are still trying to build out a
full source bootstrap.

Now mind you we have gotten quite a bit down that rabbit hole.
( I've build from a hex monitor to a Lexically scoped garbage
compacting/collecting lisp and Janneke built his rather impressive MES
which already supports large parts of the C language and enough to
bootstrap some rather important pieces)

But there still are many gaps left to close (how to bootstrap a 280 byte
hex monitor without a hex monitor or hex assembler, stage0-vm
downstrapping, MES tinycc bootstrapping, MES lisp bootstrapping, etc)

but ultimately shifting sands are the only grounds we can be certain
will be there.

So we better get comfortable minimizing our assumptions.

-Jeremiah

             reply	other threads:[~2017-05-14 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-14 19:54 Jeremiah [this message]
2017-05-14 21:17 ` Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source Pjotr Prins
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-05-15  0:11 Jeremiah
2017-03-15 16:13 Ready for Guile 2.2! Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-22 22:34 ` ‘guix pull’ vs. transition to Guile 2.2 Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09 21:22   ` Heads-up: " Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-14 13:50     ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 15:35       ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 16:13         ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 16:28           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-05-14 17:29             ` pjotr.public12
2017-05-14 18:30               ` Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 21:32                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15  1:20                   ` David Pirotte
2017-05-15 13:27                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15  7:35                   ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-15 13:28                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17  7:47                       ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-19  8:58                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17  7:52                   ` Pjotr Prins

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