From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id TQ0YLNriyl7jJAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 21:10:50 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id sGdwJ9riyl78LQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 21:10:50 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FE959400C3 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 21:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40630 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxtR-0003bf-7q for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 17:10:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxtH-0003bM-Dh for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 17:10:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxtG-0008Aq-To; Sun, 24 May 2020 17:10:38 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=54978 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jcxtG-0003bc-1b; Sun, 24 May 2020 17:10:38 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: zimoun Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cguix_--help=E2=80=9D?= should point to https://guix.gnu.org/help/ References: <87blmpijrs.fsf@elephly.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 6 Prairial an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 23:10:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: (zimoun's message of "Wed, 20 May 2020 17:36:20 +0200") Message-ID: <87a71xyr77.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: orcNAdkUzg5K Hi, zimoun skribis: > On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 12:20, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > >> General help using GNU software: > > I have never read this. It is not welcoming for newcomers, IMHO. > > First sentence: "The Free Software Foundation does not provide > technical support." I give up. > Second paragraph: RTFM! Well, click, click again, I give up. > Third: Lengthy explanations... about bug report. I give up. > Fourth: After scrolling, click, click again, I give up. > Or click to IRC, #guix is not mentioned, I give up. > > If someone reaches the help they needs by this mean, they is my hero! :-) This is harsh, maybe unnecessarily so, but still a very valid criticism of that page. I guess that page was created with good intentions, but it=E2=80=99s pretty much useless indeed. :-/ Probably we should work on the GNU side to make that page more useful, but we should also definitely print the relevant Guix URL. Ludo=E2=80=99.