From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id DwbhHT6+jGC8EAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 01 May 2021 04:34:38 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id At9rGD6+jGDGWwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 01 May 2021 02:34:38 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAEA8A961 for ; Sat, 1 May 2021 04:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:60566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcfSm-0003Lr-Aq for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:34:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54452) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcfSe-0003Lk-43 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:34:28 -0400 Received: from tobias.gr ([2a02:c205:2020:6054::1]:50848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcfSb-000201-MR for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:34:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tobias.gr; s=2018; bh=tPc3TJsW8wmoM+DBTHWf9LK7GNuGmhi3UzpJuPGDuiQ=; h=date:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from:references; b=Nx1HROI7OqHVixeQcH6A1XDAxXs2Bu+AgsgWy dHcvfe2XQjMKXXwdktlVNqjBzgoB7rnphvXNFQapfZXXPkSkBQ2aC1fbZvoE65u0gvpP4J IAmU3wHTdIbYaaTEbjCZqWJeYrMrI6tBcvc4ozQrbvX2f21w+fW01moN9tHLLb0vSGSXDr kxkTvFOGy3Rn/NNXHbhOT4lsIUaG8A6E8YDlcZ+P3PZXf4PfdPsbbkEyy4/04JrWKCwKLC /e43mBL+3042pvxRWBwyZ/VJ5+Q5lnTrs0vip+eolc/rY2IOMJHBcA3nC7U5g7WYHeZ/Ha ZekfViorO02jcawgf38B8LFuA== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 7a308e8c (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 1 May 2021 02:34:30 +0000 (UTC) References: <888c71d21bbbc8dc7e8b4d5396694c83@zaclys.net> From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice To: Leo Le Bouter Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Leaving the GNU Guix community In-reply-to: <888c71d21bbbc8dc7e8b4d5396694c83@zaclys.net> BIMI-Selector: v=BIMI1; s=default; Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 04:34:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87a6pfqj0z.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:c205:2020:6054::1; envelope-from=me@tobias.gr; helo=tobias.gr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619836478; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=tPc3TJsW8wmoM+DBTHWf9LK7GNuGmhi3UzpJuPGDuiQ=; b=gmAVFuXsizWllX1zEQVPDhhw+pDvbOs2s0oQyBuz60C/kcRLOONvbDL89GQmUB/Wuij41k CRoVGHN2f95HmQ7iD2ErxQxbQA/V1TSKga9dgOz0g9oEtLVL9/WP8aTr8lrOw2UX36ybXL 5uNsHmpByspiUR0MnQWJHAik/BNggqOzpoq2MypAE7Mw5MUJO2gXwI7UEvzqzba41bbCoo v9y6CxeVRxAUxe23xdXsgFfIxiZxe3fNzOiu05fn/kcDB2zMhMXNHsRCjKkBlrj/awo85s KQOedBOfOTslGhWKXln7u3D8tf2hYzJEQDpi5Hj1048psAntuB49CS03bbt+Jg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619836478; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sM65cPpJQPKdPqOgUcO/IpFDiWlCztFIpzd/ecjxKGq9mYjaPU7htgcBYXjn6Tfe+31Fqu 9voOnC6UwZNxEbkk5WHHFwfXpMkVSWRQvbFI+8Kb91GsZr1kM6zvUQi1kS5o7zaxvx0Rlr OBZgzp9FiJ6m+VXzZz3KXRXShAJq5eVy30HjLQNP8WbZDMP+kc1+Q9gkNz3xAoXg5MVEpw SunI5JdU2bJ8b2mjSiEVbkQdELlxprghUdND+Iv1ojncokS42XNUqvwfYWRenVvhWCCyLC dPDdw7qLcpdzgGLpYJvh/TiWOuMCnMIXJYR22+hbA7/wCY3dKaEvU01w5BEyrQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b=Nx1HROI7; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.76 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b=Nx1HROI7; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EAEA8A961 X-Spam-Score: -4.76 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: hPVtHa+9VnzA --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable L=C3=A9o, Leo Le Bouter =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > I feel like what has happened is really a disaster, I'm relieved that we share, at least, this. I think everyone=20 does. > I don't feel like contributing to GNU Guix anymore in the=20 > future. That's a great pity. I hope to welcome you back some day. Guix=20 is better off with your fixes. Yet I'm convinced that the decision to suspend commit access was=20 the right one. It wasn't easy. Nobody was happy about it. I also hope that you can accept your role in the events that lead=20 to it and learn from them and make adjustments. I'm disappointed that you still deflect the brunt of the=20 responsibility to others and refuse to acknowledge that this,=20 itself, is a problem. Saving face consistently took precedence=20 over accepting feedback. That's a dangerous blind spot to have. > I think that the GNU > Guix maintainers justify unacceptable behavior and have acted=20 > upon > things without understanding them, not understanding why=20 > incidents have > happened We have a much better understanding of the *complete* situation=20 than you imply. It's far too common and too convenient to claim=20 that people you don't agree with are (at best) uninformed. We've certainly made mistakes over the years. Being buggy humans=20 we'll be sure to make more. Several contributors expressed (in at least one case: severe)=20 unease with your attitude long before Mark sent his own unpleasant=20 message, and I think we did too little and waited too long to=20 publicly address either in a coordinated manner. Lesson=20 hard-learnt. > that many people have spread misinformation that other believed=20 > also.=20 I refuse to credit this vague insinuation. My mind was made up by=20 nothing but your own posts to this list and your blunt refusal to=20 answer questions. Kind regards, T G-R PS: I wanted to keep this short, but thank you for sharing your=20 thoughts or Free software development. 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