From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 4JvqEcuXcWGl6wAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:39:39 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id gB1zDcuXcWFZdwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:39:39 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB84FBF4E for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdb6Q-0006vw-3Y for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:39:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdb5j-0006Tf-HZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:38:55 -0400 Received: from tobias.gr ([2a02:c205:2020:6054::1]:32998) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdb5h-0007E1-8V for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:38:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=2018; bh=wgoXDeYGcwERn uYt0ZVeWZIK/TV/oj85lMjqUfWXGro=; h=in-reply-to:date:subject:cc:to: from:references; d=tobias.gr; b=Fnv/hFACBB1usTcgxHrgNwuZsQliIocfDwbqto o2Itt4S1otDdn6dkOfyBKTzru+gc0EVpxsuOYHffdRGvuw5L55tnNOwvTJz8GhcMhc80qN mfm525CcoI3ZKO4hvn6OasKIiTYm6HhBC0mOQZVDhhz81fxwuJa5MZT8ADpvXVpbUhjkfW dvUOybGKyiImOIB1okE/1ej6X6PD/WJ4HxcmbYqK0M5Wh9yrjwq/xUEXm4mZiI2Xdu7uXB T2sLFaW7Zg2N/6SAx1CbpqIqzITKFrD62IMn995ELVUOuJAbrMSUTFNbvNqieWyOlNHXcf n5l2TZv2D26kUiwkZQ2dWHQA== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 4e26179d (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:38:45 +0000 (UTC) References: <878rynh0yq.fsf@systemreboot.net> <87cznz74l5.fsf@nckx> <864k9ag5k0.fsf@gmail.com> From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice To: zimoun Cc: Arun Isaac , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Public guix offload server Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:31:49 +0200 In-reply-to: <864k9ag5k0.fsf@gmail.com> BIMI-Selector: v=BIMI1; s=default; Message-ID: <87a6j272oz.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:c205:2020:6054::1; envelope-from=me@tobias.gr; helo=tobias.gr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634834379; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=wgoXDeYGcwERnuYt0ZVeWZIK/TV/oj85lMjqUfWXGro=; b=lewl2viSFbTGtnjUcFbRH2LrXyjqtjptZq8Tq59Uiw6PtvuIoA928XfD3jd7RGUeCO0iqK VmEmf3srcP+Stn7ZHPGy9FBZL9eTOe6ixmm8S7oxQuMxdvqJfikJgEafq1YRrQ8Qa+OfSZ rvkh8YT7Ynag6Debsxq2yYjcGzb6iTTCBd9VBUYb3wVBO4U4WXUH9PK4HU4Rm44IL4mEeL MBo9ldQ9QxKOquwgDCbNs1HTjG1LM9T655q//wPQretgcDUB3YfYjinrZi4LTLGBgPB+Bh dAIBte5AIN2JL0Co5TZEv/7SM2S1C+Qyr1W+r4nQt6t/TaL6rw6egDLQHS+8eg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634834379; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=inRCOb7p2Pii2FAlV7R/bFGbOh9atxx7uY201rJAEtwCj4rguYyM+5yYoywasyO+L3MyhC o6wtkkGjYyD12u5feSyiMDWbpt4CSk1eAxYstaV1J9PRkdmJMuipiihjSdu3+DoRoEL/kV 6F4B+ETa4ui2BSQJ4uMCjSK2z3eamgNI7I3SMZf4/H+kQNdHTwnpoATouFL32bcU2Sabzc WNgjsOjwhxyERv9aqa/I75vfbPxNpwp3MFQEYRxjt686f6dbmdXsgcIMm69XP6aLg9e16t t+8HBOkp4O4lqa3sNLKzLuUhbEoSp4JdJKlM6i9l1TgpAXJ3NtRi/N4I2f0/xw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b="Fnv/hFAC"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tobias.gr header.s=2018 header.b="Fnv/hFAC"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=tobias.gr; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EB84FBF4E X-Spam-Score: -5.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: irqxsBiQJ5zK --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Simon, zimoun =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > If I understand correctly, if a committer offloads to say Berlin=20 > or > Bayfront, your concern is that the output will be in the=20 > publicly > exposed store. Right? No, that would be far worse. I'm considering only a =E2=80=98private=E2=80= =99=20 offload server shared by several trusted users, where one=20 compromised (whether technically or mentally :-) user can easily=20 =E2=80=98infect=E2=80=99 other contributors in a way that's very hard to de= tect.=20 =E2=80=98Trusting trust=E2=80=99 comes to mind. > For instance, one could imagine a dedicated VM for all the=20 > committers > who require some CPU power. Right, that's what I'm describing in my previous mail. Now, we could spin up a separate VM for each user, and just take=20 the efficiency hit=E2=80=A6 Users would be safe from anything but=20 VM-escape exploits (which exist but are rare). > A minimal job submission API with token would be ideal, IMHO.=20 > But it > falls into: > > Now is better than never. > Although never is often better than *right* now. > > =E2=80=93 python -c 'import this' =E2= =80=93 What does this mean? 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