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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638794373; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=ZlNn3UvIq5D187nDbdPY/SwjLXU+Ul4D74c2yZsIkCQ=; b=lfQyIIWA13+aBbrkUejlwykTHZEuRuRUe7CXZp36RrnjlwRnCT7SX7yui/jtWmvW/5ZmY+ xy7htq7RcONG75CIylGO07QYGD909f5dywU1XoFU5g6TOuPJv41k1Bo5zWVw6TOiw7CFf1 7G8NuOI/b17ZH6Nk0rvBf4FaITI1FA2GbxkJ6Rl5FLqT7C3QVGP1ee8xQg42LJOv1UIst5 p2/6Bq7cF5be10wvbRioaMadRN25u93pmjKvmlv6/2ZisgOlEh/NWFCE1HAxe0HDY2rgdM 9Giir+eLYAtLTidpJhUrWAD8yyMca3DnSfgifYkwO+a1zC7OV8UlxOMQupUArg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638794373; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Kqx4ePelG5tVwMBhoH5z++B9bm1nNKERKK2pJaux5xhToH0MhGr90kBTzxanAkBGlKwAAM o9DnPls3y1lhGc8Fk/8SerJgF+axWlQ+mr5h34UboKzcKgf8MYydEDVZ5OYE3eBqOVJvQy GSKw0SCL3T4pLp9+RJmRFXnu+/+pkPi/HM2wlokWsxSPw/Ifzje4BkmM9cipAmLdPPdEz5 Wa1XJMgQiiTEtOhryZ8NH7btSRsQtD9unIjlIW8LaWWocaQ6MasskJZ6Uyz+G7GrVOpNIi UF5IVYS0PeTacOchJVP6fw2sSuELCI7VJxHEkgfgkrExu4VCxw9ymLL2sIbSyQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=DVLaX4Vj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=DVLaX4Vj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 44F772C14A X-Spam-Score: -5.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: vQ5SEejX7qAq Hi, Maxim Cournoyer skribis: >> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: [...] >>> Perhaps we can address all this in several steps: >>> >>> 1. apply the librsvg 2.40 hack now so we can merge >>> =E2=80=98core-updates-frozen=E2=80=99 this week for real; [...] > I hear your frustration w.r.t to delays; I don't mind if this stopgap > solution is implemented *now*, but I'm skeptical that it'd allow GNOME > to built. Status update: there=E2=80=99s now =E2=80=98librsvg-for-system=E2=80=99 use= d in a variety of places, which selects librsvg 2.40 (in C) on non-x86_64 systems: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?h=3Dcore-updates-froze= n&id=3D8477a6d743f3068e449402ade739355878242377 It=E2=80=99s used in a number of places, including GTK+, Emacs, Mate, and X= fce: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?h=3Dcore-updates-froze= n&id=3D2561f2720f6afdab47991e6430dc8a1215a27bc7 https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?h=3Dcore-updates-froze= n&id=3D3bd7ce60530ad363e235f458ecbe2bcc9454242a https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?h=3Dcore-updates-froze= n&id=3Defbaa5fcc8caeae7228c8f06c13879e7e920f5ea We can now build Mate and Xfce on i686, with SVG support in GTK+ (without that I suppose they=E2=80=99d be next to unusable because many/most icons are SVGs these days.) What we still cannot build is GNOME, and it seems to be out of reach because gnome =E2=86=92 gjs =E2=86=92 rust=E2=80=A6 unless we can use an ol= der GJS or even Duktape? It=E2=80=99s a problem because GDM is in =E2=80=98%desktop-services=E2=80= =99. Ludo=E2=80=99.