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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1676055823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=S512k9QdrMQGAENAIjCtcTB3N5ItlKO6A9vAJp5ukOhAolCM/UI916+tfmZ6QVd8wOzDnN VloxzFILw6MVKgUc9v2j/QHmX2T9RIbk4XAg6+szT26Qwq0njfbZeXNuTQzIuYC2AFib+Y 8IITx95D8VFsHi70Dvsh+t8RyQwU0oHdpR1cwI1+HAQygMztiBGe6wFRolgf32O6OP/HRD n5OVZT+6TkB/tZ5XjsaZ3N7lyaHzr1OXM+KPI1KgYdt0y93RHjAulxQb3WFKWhJlSUhR7O tOCeen/7WjF7Pd6GIUAXN5z/uwnWGFgrwsWRyNJqFJA3BkT3lQ+VLL0fjXMKAA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Dr4LFupu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1676055823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=yRc8NEcY0Yf1ZSYrmfpN8dRL9JuSwJrTgW5ROWotOWs=; b=jdmCMhJKKeJQc/+9M42uMbL1a9Z7ayAmfsZPif8B357LuMEs0C1ADQchz+fwAg9peJ5YpP 0ETF2apMWCJs5J2miAt+qiGBmumUl2cgZKG5fu59uDZ4xolSm+I733qQ/JCbXFOQwdNSNV 8UUhOoAttD6qFmowGXGxPLCG/7X7vWpYT3wxtQd08qeT0gTt+FqE4wWKk1RW96DdroFGG1 p0EcFoybzqNL8PShu3ed5alU/FnZWvk32dPQjE3fkmQIGuWIoTUrdjgBfOYNd+b4qt0EEt FntggH8bL2ylo7CYjKNUzghWSYBZk2DSJso0W92v3amCsYFUh0GpudUr7/mPMA== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Dr4LFupu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.07 X-Spam-Score: -5.07 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BB1292D13F X-TUID: X0kvP/jNdbLk ------DKYZY7X1HCT1M3BRA29KWSW0QT1GRD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Andreas!=20 For my own education I just tried running =2E/configure with no arguments = on Ubuntu and it ran without error=2E I wasnt actually able to run pre-inst= -env afterwards though since I am not an administrator on that system=2E Th= at behavior, though, seems consistent with what I think you are saying: set= ting up pre-inst-env is currently easier by default for foreign distro user= s than for guixsd users=2E I can see how that made perfect sense when Guix = was only used with a foreign distro=2E I don't know much about what is actu= ally happening in =2E/configure, but it also makes sense to me that the def= ault now should depend on what the host system actually is=2E Then the manu= al could include those standard lines in a source block explicitly and it w= ill all seem routine and not at all scary to people like me=2E It already s= eems smart enough to do that given it could make the right suggestion in my= case=2E On February 10, 2023 4:30:49 AM EST, Andreas Enge wrot= e: >Hello Kyle, > >Am Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 03:10:02AM +0000 schrieb Kyle Andrews: >> configure: error: chosen localstatedir '/usr/local/var' does not match = that of the existing installation '/var' > >you should do exactly as suggested: Before running "make", configure the >Guix source code not by "=2E/configure", but > =2E/configure --localstatedir=3D/var > >Personally I think this is a bug in Guix: It was chosen to follow the >standard configure behaviour (installation directories under /usr/local)= =2E >But it would probably be better to let the Guix behaviour be the one >that everybody wants (especially newcomers), and to leave options like >--localstatedir to people needing to do something unusual=2E > >Andreas > ------DKYZY7X1HCT1M3BRA29KWSW0QT1GRD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Andreas!

For my own education I ju= st tried running =2E/configure with no arguments on Ubuntu and it ran witho= ut error=2E I wasnt actually able to run pre-inst-env afterwards though sin= ce I am not an administrator on that system=2E That behavior, though, seems= consistent with what I think you are saying: setting up pre-inst-env is cu= rrently easier by default for foreign distro users than for guixsd users=2E= I can see how that made perfect sense when Guix was only used with a forei= gn distro=2E I don't know much about what is actually happening in =2E/conf= igure, but it also makes sense to me that the default now should depend on = what the host system actually is=2E Then the manual could include those sta= ndard lines in a source block explicitly and it will all seem routine and n= ot at all scary to people like me=2E It already seems smart enough to do th= at given it could make the right suggestion in my case=2E

On February 10, 2023 4:30:49 AM EST, Andreas Enge <andr= eas@enge=2Efr> wrote:
Hello Kyle,

Am Fri, Feb 10, 2023=
 at 03:10:02AM +0000 schrieb Kyle Andrews:
configure: error: chosen localstatedir '/usr/local/var'=
 does not match that of the existing installation '/var'
you should do exactly as suggested: Before running "make", configure the<=
br>Guix source code not by "=2E/configure", but
   =2E/configure --local=
statedir=3D/var

Personally I think this is a bug in Guix: It was cho=
sen to follow the
standard configure behaviour (installation directories=
 under /usr/local)=2E
But it would probably be better to let the Guix be=
haviour be the one
that everybody wants (especially newcomers), and to l=
eave options like
--localstatedir to people needing to do something unus=
ual=2E

Andreas

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