From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tomas Cech Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: <878tp1ck6e.wl-tcech@suse.com> References: <87o9y29svy.fsf@igalia.com> <87y3x2m3so.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfjoU-0002FK-1F for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 03:59:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfjoQ-0004bz-63 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 03:59:18 -0500 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:40315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfjoP-0004bJ-VT for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 03:59:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y3x2m3so.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alex Kost Cc: guix-devel , David Craven On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 19:30:31 +0100, Alex Kost wrote: > > David Craven (2017-02-17 13:56 +0100) wrote: > > >> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > >> describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > >> right now. > > > > An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a > > RYF approved device to run guixsd is no different than apple requiring you > > to buy an apple computer to run mac os x. Turning guixsd into an embedded > > system for RYF devices is not something I want to spend time and effort on. I > > can't with good conscience recommend to people to buy a usb wifi adapter to > > use guixsd when I believe they have much larger privacy issues in their devices. > > > > To be comfortable contributing to a free project I need to know that people are > > able to do whatever THEY want, with those contributions, and not what the FSF > > wants. The FSDG and GNU philosophy prevent me from offering any kind of help > > and require me to do it hidden. What really gets to me is that I feel > > - whether justly > > or not - that the FSF believes I need to feel shame for doing and recommending > > whatever I believe is best. The word "immoral" in this context is > > simply unacceptable > > to me. > > > > Compliance with the FSDG makes guix very much dependent on an > > external entity. > > Thanks for this explanation. Now I understand your point and I agree > with it! I also don't like that by default GuixSD stricts itself to the > hardware supported by linux-libre. If linux-libre didn't support all > the hardware on my computer, most likely I would not used GuixSD at all. Running GuixSD on HW not fully supported by linux-libre is painful for me as well. I remember my first time success with GuixSD - after some coffee and sweating I managed to deploy and boot GuixSD on my notebook which had WiFi card requiring firmware to run. I wasn't able to fix missing package without reboot. It took me some time to get with my own kernel (vanilla based) and initrd on top of Guix (especially as Guile is still language barrier for me). I'd love to see some coordinated effort outside of (or better on top of) Guix to share such work. I value the freedom, I like the way that Guix cares about it. Yet I want and need to do something with my computer as well and this could help sometimes:) So, guys, where are your GIT repositories for GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH? S_W