From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id AFsnMkj1cl+IIgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:50:16 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id IIPyLUj1cl+mbwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:50:16 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E6B69403A7 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47396 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNBKx-0004Gd-EQ for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:50:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNBKm-0004Ey-GL for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:50:04 -0400 Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([46.4.214.66]:54910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNBKj-0007e3-Ik for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:50:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (ip6-localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id D281B3021BA; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:49:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ns13.heimat.it Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns13.heimat.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5qErZ2jNqq_a; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bourrache.mug.xelera.it (unknown [93.56.169.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE81C3021B9; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from roquette.mug.biscuolo.net (roquette [10.38.2.14]) by bourrache.mug.xelera.it (Postfix) with SMTP id 3933775E0E0; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 4970 invoked by uid 1000); Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:49:54 -0000 From: Giovanni Biscuolo To: Mark H Weaver , Pierre Neidhardt , Guix Devel Subject: Re: emacs-lucid (was Re: Emacs closure at ~900MB?) In-Reply-To: <87h7rk8pmz.fsf@netris.org> Organization: Xelera.eu References: <86wo0mnjs3.fsf@gmail.com> <87d02e3v61.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <87k0wjt774.fsf@roquette.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87h7rk8pmz.fsf@netris.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:49:53 +0200 Message-ID: <878sct55n2.fsf@roquette.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=46.4.214.66; envelope-from=g@xelera.eu; helo=ns13.heimat.it X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/29 04:42:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.61 X-TUID: Xw3vjfUVQuDt --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mark, thank you for your interest.=20 Mark H Weaver writes: [...] >> IMHO it's useful to have emacs-lucid in official Guix, with subsitutes >> available for end users (I'm not using emacs in daemon mode over X11 >> over SSH for fear of chrashes). > > FYI, our 'emacs-no-x-toolkit' package has a closure size of 390.9 MiB > and does _not_ have the Gtk bug described above. That's why I use it. Yes I know that emacs version, I'm also considering using it (I do not remember why I decided I needed an X toolkit... I should just try). > Are there additional benefits to 'emacs-lucid' that are not already > addressed by 'emacs-no-x-toolkit'? emacs-lucid would have an X toolkit that does not crash the daemon when remotely connecting, some people like to have that (an X tookit I mean) even if usually it's not strictly needed. > I'm not necessarily opposed to adding another Emacs variant, but I > don't yet understand the motivation. Help some users avoid experiencing "the bug", but I understand that probably the use base for emacs-lucid is tiny. Thanks! 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