From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id mGlmBvJiCWB1VAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:18:10 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id SKQqAvJiCWAJaQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:18:10 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9102E94043A for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:36426 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2Xya-0004CJ-HX for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:18:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2Xw9-0001zV-1p for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:15:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2Xw8-0002LG-6W; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:15:36 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=47576 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l2Xw2-0004t9-Nw; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 06:15:35 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: New =?utf-8?B?4oCcdW5ncmFmdGluZ+KAnQ==?= branch References: <87v9dcv8mt.fsf@gnu.org> <874kji4u86.fsf@netris.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 2 =?utf-8?Q?Pluvi=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:15:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Leo Famulari's message of "Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:02:44 -0500") Message-ID: <878s8mbkxb.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9102E94043A X-Spam-Score: -2.85 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: +L7OChxm0pAR Hi, Leo Famulari skribis: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:57:50AM -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote: >> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: >>=20 >> > Following discussions on IRC, I=E2=80=99ve created a new =E2=80=98ungr= afting=E2=80=99 branch >> > that does nothing but ungraft things. >> > >> > The rationale is that grafts incur additional overhead when installing >> > things (the time to create those grafts), so it=E2=80=99s good to clea= n them up >> > once in a while. Ungrafting in a dedicated branch means we know the >> > branch is =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D, unlike more exploratory branches lik= e =E2=80=98staging=E2=80=99 and >> > =E2=80=98core-updates=E2=80=99. >> > >> > The plan is to start building it later today, and to hopefully be done >> > in a week or so. >>=20 >> This is a good initiative, but it seems to have stalled. Is there a >> reason that it has not yet been merged into 'master'? > > The ungrafting branch was merged into the staging branch. Unfortunately, > the staging branch is moving very slowly. I perceive a lack of > interest in working on it :/ Apologies for not contributing so far, this month is busy for me. I think the slow feedback loop with ci.guix is one of the main reasons people don=E2=80=99t contribute much. Perhaps the whole process is also un= clear to people who=E2=80=99re not seasoned contributors? > I think that the ungrafting branch should have been kept separate and > merged into master quickly. Yes, that was the goal, but again, ci.guix got in the way by not providing quick feedback. Then there were holidays, and then I was busy with other things, as I guess is the case with the other people who previously looked into it. My assumption was that an ungrafting branch would be easy to handle: trivial changes, no breakage. But it=E2=80=99s not that simple: we met act= ual breakage (Marius fixed non-trivial things), and again, the feedback loop was too slow. Ludo=E2=80=99.