From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id VTkTLWPTomD9WgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 22:34:43 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id UOpCKGPTomAXUQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67D00269DA for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 22:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58886 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lijwo-0003Wz-Jh for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 17 May 2021 16:34:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lijwf-0003Wr-Rz for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 May 2021 16:34:33 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x72a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a]:45931) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lijwd-00076y-G5; Mon, 17 May 2021 16:34:33 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-x72a.google.com with SMTP id 197so7131937qkl.12; Mon, 17 May 2021 13:34:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=poxjozRnC234eXF8sQojB64LvcyV5JErUln1ZWJuQ80=; b=M/pJVlmIqS60LbX6QWUJGjgWtfUFSLW42U1C0J1k+3Puf+plAyZBk6WlW362cELdAB P4d5Jg0wYBcDVG2IrDag6V06kGOLTX5gU5xSH6/76uio14v5VT83LVU/ObljXBne9Lcv +sTJOkCcfh0UxT/mJN4G7qhKYHkBiHdK0SqMCktFJ68wtjTj0UQgvX+3auzhs166ebOL FkfjkofVkDnD2B/070WTUmntaPpVhR8Ty1BQ+2dd3NY5Ixr7FLgYLO8K24SJK92q+6+c jUAesRprWeIjK1kzQrGO9CS+R4FIIW2dmxzmy4oDs9zCPKq+FmKEqY0SqQUhmohwjF9Y Sr2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=poxjozRnC234eXF8sQojB64LvcyV5JErUln1ZWJuQ80=; b=phfyu9r295ol/jzM9zNqDL+rRyLCNzYg210s73kCLa43Xtn/01s6K+LPERVlTE5sLX M8+zcKUkKDHvBMOK8ib4p2Ju7DTN2dVZnxk033pFSS3jhk+r+5Y/WQsJJAP1yKnxM0N8 3e0fV97dDswTx5BEauzzBqn5lMV4w2DM5S9QRkcVmka73hV3Bqohvq0S512u1olpYHIm 7DyoJQrCRGqUPf66JVe3+++bpzB43PZgayUykY2gsuxeXPEi8DWGWR30AjzqJ7Vr+fJV De7LZqTXe8sGA7gwYAqItAVSztRqJ38tFxHghTw2RNGjA3QVOBJPd9Yo+y19vU/OojlH 2PHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Mr9l0Xx2bkq33FDrnJl+pepUThbEO1/5+J0cf+1bqtJMTuSd5 CtGMWWKWMQYC5VePZYkly0RAPVS8rBM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyGk3g6zrzsJqC2VShsgcxHkQcAambmrN+pjHhlSWVZHLewox54l3qzBjbenSIkIIeeHPIwIQ== X-Received: by 2002:a37:8703:: with SMTP id j3mr1728634qkd.308.1621283670012; Mon, 17 May 2021 13:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurd (dsl-236-124-184.b2b2c.ca. [207.236.124.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 75sm44142qke.103.2021.05.17.13.34.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 17 May 2021 13:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: zimoun Subject: Re: GNU Guix 1.4.0 in September? References: <86lf8dr038.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:34:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86lf8dr038.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Mon, 17 May 2021 14:55:39 +0200") Message-ID: <878s4dnlpn.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x72a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621283683; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=poxjozRnC234eXF8sQojB64LvcyV5JErUln1ZWJuQ80=; b=qN5kVPlMOdpFVW87lURlY2NBbc8j8c7Wo4Osp0nobR/JbM+LaMPhyzQJsHoPH33VR4iwBI fVdXZy1ZUWWroTwbbNbKT4esbpiRJOnvYzSGSmCMLySUtqEBleV/Ed1QZzwH79PaWA329D P2Fkk/bLu96kXg4uSF6OvfBRFACkxwZn/SJ43VOPmAspG1VjQ2oUvKNM7oIzDtZcADRqww S5ewdfuGy0ClBHCIsQk4Ufbv9bewLbyTXGAohMtzuhWOzDmuqZrl8SZ2yGKyXpf+f947Cz 5tu+KpseMdKKJTnwsLSblbzkWO01Y4b4y2emdbr5xgBiI89BruAcEfqkfxJSCg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621283683; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=I8Uxj/vK2TiBQwYEFAnE01c6GUyCPofJm2nWM2HEZpnsQqeuu0ERCzEGVCAZn61+3U/BXN XTc2wUDmc8wqjZ2/1ZAEb8mAfZ9rCWlrnTIc6F+TClkabjgxTh7eVnT4jlFJPrB3NiLSzA HxPjWEZ/XprzUy/ZrcQN1MAjPosHBDJg1gtI93B7Bwz+M0zLGtmnH7I25n0hJEBjnkQ1Di xg9SzuObzzkD5VLGAB4NtU/ZektGZfqYnEzLJXMNteIHdMMYeqG5YYJvwq3374YGMc+wQ1 i6+rbdhLdb3rzmhSo7LDqy8PC6bBUAmEAnLMux4UTAIUbRanboqR2I80Sx+uaA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="M/pJVlmI"; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="M/pJVlmI"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 67D00269DA X-Spam-Score: -0.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: PMC9kponmg6N Hi Simon, zimoun writes: > Hi Maxim, > >>> Note also that we were =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D 3 weeks late thanks to th= e hard work of >>> zimoun and Leo early on keeping track of everything that needed to be >>> addressed. If someone wants to propose a date for the next release and >>> take responsibility as =E2=80=9Crelease keeper=E2=80=9D, we=E2=80=99ll = all welcome that! >> >> Yes, thank you Simon and Leo for the help with the release! I felt less >> lonely :-). I've learned that producing a release can easily take 2-3 >> weeks even in good conditions (e.g., not many blockers to fix). I'd >> suggest anyone (myself included :-)) trying to meet the schedule to >> seriously start trying to put out RCs a month before the planned release >> date. > > Thank you! And thanks to all the people involved. :-) > > For what it is worth, the anniversary dates seems good targets as > release dates: > > - April, 18th (init commit)=20 > - November, 23rd (first announce) Sounds good, if perhaps a bit too far? > Do you plan to keep a Release Bug open with all the blocking bugs? Does > it help? If yes, does it make sense to start now to add some or only ~2 > months before the target? I think we can flag them as 'important' to start, and as the release approach, we can add them as blocking if they haven't yet been fixed. No strong feelings either way though. >> Perhaps we can aim for the next release mid-September (core-updates). >> I'm not too sure of the status of core-updates right now, but last time >> I worked on it was in a rather good state. > > I remember a plot sent to guix-maintaainers about the number of grafts, > the core-updates merges and the release dates. I am not sure it is > really interesting and it is worth to resend it, or maybe dumping the > Cuirass database to investigate a bit more. Perhaps I failed to see a trend or something, but I don't remember coming out with a clearer insight about what we should change or adjust from looking at those graphs. Had I missed something? > Well, my point is the core-updates merges and the release dates should > be synchronized; say target the core-updates for end of September, > then the release for November. To me, this synchronisation makes > senses because it constraints the ~6months core-updates cycle and in > the same time, the 2 releases per year. Makes sense, let's aim to do that! Thanks, Maxim