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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -6.57 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 67C775D95F X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.57 X-TUID: bIPAQaJnKDak Simon Tournier writes: > On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 at 17:27, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > >> Now, this is no longer a problem for me because I=E2=80=99ve been writin= g so >> many commit messages over the years (and because I no longer try to >> adhere to some poorly specified format), but it *is* a problem for >> people that I=E2=80=99ve mentored. > > Well, from my point of view, you cannot know if another way to write > commit message format would not be a problem either. :-) Let=E2=80=99s not write them at all and have them generated. People are st= ill expected to read them before sending them off, to be sure that they say what was intended. > I think we have a consensus about the complexity for contributing. From > my point of view, all the =E2=80=9Ccognitive complexity=E2=80=9D are not = equal. Some > cognitive loads are totally useless and just pure friction =E2=80=93 the = number > of steps for checking and submitting for example =E2=80=93 and it brings = no > value at all for the project. Other, as commit message format, also > leads to some friction but it also brings value for the project. Agreed. --=20 Ricardo