Re: LanguageKit (targets llvm)

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>]

For those just getting the discussion, I have here a stripped log from
from #guix IRC channel at chat.freenode.net:

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2018-01-13T11:31:33-0200 <catonano> the Languagekit project targets llvm. Is
 it good for Guix ? And how does that relate to the GNU project ?
 http://etoileos.com/etoile/features/languagekit/
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2018-01-13T11:38:19-0200 <wigust> correctly: This is bad for user's freedom
 for sure (non-copyleft thing), but we have in Guix packages with those
 licenses.
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2018-01-13T11:45:55-0200 <adfeno> catonano wigust: Agree, LLVM is one of the
 worst indeed.
2018-01-13T11:46:44-0200 <adfeno> The question is: what should we do? (a)
 Provide recipes to build with GCC; (b) Use LLVM.
2018-01-13T11:47:35-0200 <adfeno> I vote for (a), but it would be somehow more
 work in the begining. After the recipes are ready, however, we will have the
 option to send them upstream. This is an option of course, not a requirement.
2018-01-13T11:48:54-0200 <adfeno> ... but I wish that LanguageKit would soon
 figure out the right reasons for using GCC build recipes/instructions
 instead.
2018-01-13T11:49:08-0200 <adfeno> ... before something worse happens.
2018-01-13T11:49:50-0200 <catonano> adfeno: something worse ?
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2018-01-13T12:02:05-0200 <adfeno> catonano wigust: Re: LangugageKit and GCC
 vs. LLVM: Something worse in terms of "software freedom not being available
 for the end-user".
2018-01-13T12:02:23-0200 <adfeno> .... aaand I can't type today... ;)
2018-01-13T12:02:41-0200 <wigust> catonano: See about llvm from RMS
 https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html
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2018-01-13T12:05:47-0200 <adfeno> catonano wigust: I may not be an experienced
 programmer, but I can already see an issue here if LanguageKit and other
 projects keep up with this madness to support LLVM.
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2018-01-13T12:07:33-0200 <catonano> adfeno: we should probably move this
 discussion on the mailing list. I'd love having a deeper discussion about
 this
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2018-01-13T12:09:58-0200 <catonano> wigust: Stallman's assessment settles the
 point of the relationship between the GNU project and LanguageKit
2018-01-13T12:10:43-0200 <catonano> it´s a pity because otherwise GNUStep is
 an interesting project
2018-01-13T12:10:45-0200 <adfeno> catonano wigust: Agreed to move to mailing
 list. ;)
2018-01-13T12:10:50-0200 <catonano> ok
2018-01-13T12:11:00-0200 <adfeno> ... who will do the move?
2018-01-13T12:11:10-0200 <catonano> adfeno: I will ;-)
2018-01-13T12:11:23-0200 <adfeno> Oh OK thanks catonano ;)
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2018-01-13T12:49:46-0200 <catonano> adfeno: I wrote on the dev ml
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2018-01-13T12:56:24-0200 <adfeno> catonano: OK ;)
2018-01-13T12:56:31-0200 <adfeno> Thanks! :D
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2018-01-13T15:47:21+0100 Catonano wrote:
> This project
>
> http://etoileos.com/etoile/features/languagekit/
>
> targets llvm
>
> As far as I understand it doesn't target llvm too. It targets llvm _only_
>
> If I understand correctly, it aims to make dinamic languages wrap the GNUStep
> kernel
>
> Sort of like Guile does
>
> I know what Stallmand wrote about llvm
>
> But what does this mean for Guix ? 
>
> Is LanguageKit acceptable in Guix ?
>
> Is it worth to ask the Etoile devs about this choice of theirs ?
> Could it be that they can help in making LanguageKit work with the GCC ?
>
> Thanks

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