From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id 4NHnEFPaVWAPHQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:19:47 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id Reu2DFPaVWDfSgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:19:47 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A79D2BDCE for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:19:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35158 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNZdw-0003Xn-Nb for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:19:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39478) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNZdU-0003W9-3Q for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:19:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNZdT-0008H6-3B; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:19:15 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=33254 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lNZdR-00057Z-Bz; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:19:14 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Mark H Weaver Subject: Re: [opinion] CVE-patching is not sufficient for package security patching References: <9b9a43a584e2dc70488482fce5931b46abd0e006.camel@zaclys.net> <87v99qit39.fsf@netris.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 30 =?utf-8?Q?Vent=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:19:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v99qit39.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. 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In my opinion, Guix has never achieved usability > as a desktop system on non-Intel systems. Therefore, the Guix community > is unable to attract many developers who want a distro that supports > non-Intel systems well. Our community has thus become dominated by > Intel users, and there's unsufficient political will to adopt policies > that would enable us to provide a usable system for non-Intel users. A practical problem that=E2=80=99s been mentioned repeatedly is lack of ci.= guix hardware for non-Intel architectures: please everyone, consider helping the project find either sponsors or companies that sell fitting hardware, along with a plan to host it and maintain it over time! Ludo=E2=80=99.