From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id qOR6KiZkmmLFYgEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:42:30 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id ODs/KiZkmmKGJgEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:42:30 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F284EAE2 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2022 21:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54524 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxDBj-0001DT-FS for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:42:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxDBV-0001CU-0v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:42:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxDBU-0006Hx-I3; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:42:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=AevELJomvZyiwF9I7l5byoUalV5yPFbtYeCKOoC+ndo=; b=gy+iowc7H3rJYu9cxmqS urX4JJIz5VWvQrc/FRSzH1AIgBZESmQ4CH122cwdv/A9geRIEKTVsNEkv8ERgsVR2B/Ajd4Ey518g VmRIBHlkApiLiKNY/1it5UBqhqIxYPBtUuQ6ZM1XpafjVoTGo/cLmXCqMVKBcJ6YuQIxU4y5S1J/g 9oiY8oQzvX/JjgCSH12Jyd9ZVGG5EONFeB3LGdOVn5WpNxNuXEywwItnSPx9uaJOiqE/W6EbY50/U jU7JoLoRcmMO9hl9RBOPGJZC9scfNhvdFujZGiXS+4TOpY1Lm4ekBliFnQtTWFyesJIizsi734G/k jfA7INpLOLSbeQ==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:53698 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxDBU-0001bV-5S; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:42:12 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Pier-Hugues Pellerin Cc: GNU Guix maintainers , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy References: <87ee07m77w.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndy6af2.fsf@heykimo.com> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Quintidi 15 Prairial an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9v?= =?utf-8?Q?olution=2C?= jour de la Caille X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 21:42:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wndy6af2.fsf@heykimo.com> (Pier-Hugues Pellerin's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2022 16:32:42 -0400") Message-ID: <877d5xilf1.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654285348; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=AevELJomvZyiwF9I7l5byoUalV5yPFbtYeCKOoC+ndo=; b=aeGsw/FLAu/mPx/R9AiCY2AZZeqm4gjIeEpdoAFLtfKjZkchmQ+AERjqCE2P2qjAw0FBqH 345//masbCYnqQSGsF89wS+YsDq0XhqW7veIMU6cLwoqu9M9kl67jsmWfdjlsgCOOHXiFn h6c7/5Y9NRCWAwSNr0MnT0Dt/tyloONl5t7PHfcuG3jkrFQ4KIGgsfcuw3sF1ahOn/FO5X wpE/wn/jm/PQ3tW7mGNOwGuQqagR0w1QKgxcyFuDk2oRtuCb2XIQRvM1P6UFxaOAIuXA5U GDAZ2nCymRySr8E6WULQG8xnbbfqHGtndlHwO+lWK1+cyMXFiJ5Mqd5qhhBXjQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654285348; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Olm3+tLvHeDXjn/N3E0addGApAdohseZVpER2T98Jb/xrPKpRubxDx3o9gsXBQPm9fef0b 6NeNej9Y01YYEmBseecSQ+xG3IWZO8N6XmKOPDO+W4isQUlE3fDqTjAazNQ9sJm33t5Ukl RhdtJNp+MxQyBUiK9dbZpb6xTxOdYYjdk955u0mf+DSEt/Ts0AyKIlQ1p1tHzN4/UZ/077 ft8VqAOdUULeHXV7jzW1c8EtcSHMZKhfe3+q7jecdI1w7vP1MAe2w3bIVwEiVJnsgGhJqC g95nVD2OE70w9a7wDI3lzRHtPdFpcJ9fChNXq7lhFQITImVenG38FLE1XXEPHw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=gy+iowc7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.72 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=gy+iowc7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4F284EAE2 X-Spam-Score: -3.72 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: SIEuFAPX3LmM Hi, Pier-Hugues Pellerin skribis: > As a new-new Guix user, I did find the review process or the time it > takes really long. > Maybe I've tackle too complex updates[0], I don't know but I don't > have a clear path how to push it. Yeah. :-/ The long delays are mostly due to the lack of reviewers, but also, as you point out, the more =E2=80=9Ccomplex=E2=80=9D a patch series is, the mo= re time it=E2=80=99ll take before it=E2=80=99s reviewed (because it entails more work). > Also, I don't want to say that one workflow is superior to the other > but one thing that shines with theses forge > is the automation and the simplicity to add tooling on pull request to > reduce the burden to the reviewer: > > - linting > - checks > - commits log formatting check > - CI jobs > - codeowner assignment > - build packages (partial or complete rebuild the world if needed) > - license check > - notification for stable pull request. Yeah, I think there=E2=80=99s consensus on this. :-) > All theses are useful quality of life improvement for reviewers and > reduce some of the friction and remove some of the > non glamourous-task. Maybe it could be added to Mumi? Maybe a bot like > Ofborg in NixOS could take care of some of the operation. Yup. > I haven't watched Arun presentation, I will search the list if the > recording is up somewhere. It=E2=80=99s right here: https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2022/online-guix-days-2022-announcement-2/ Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.