From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id GBXVAmNaNGSbGgEASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 20:50:11 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id WM7rAWNaNGTJkQAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 20:50:11 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5008232 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 20:50:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plwaA-0004S8-Bb; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:49:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plwa8-0004Ru-Cs for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:49:36 -0400 Received: from forward500a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.80]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plwa6-0000AQ-7v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:49:36 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-51.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-51.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c1f:5e51:0:640:23ee:0]) by forward500a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C15555E5BC; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:49:27 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-51.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id LnZNF3AWuCg0-bS1JrBNS; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:49:27 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1681152567; bh=AjUY4nVBOFF2BX8zW/kYakduBMASIh51ooFrOfIJ4b4=; h=Message-ID:Date:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:References:To:From; b=VM0dqvnePzGZSZRK/pLvY+5DKJl2HUHJrSnDqVJourz31rlpjO7RmF4Mymdc5TCHf y7OKOTPR9KFZsBBHDDyeU91hzPV7x/p/6w1V+ncGgbiLCUeAyXWMdIw8A75lOSwiBu xszJ/z5VrpnqkJCAMYLFRiudJWv//PIRTFOCy8FI= From: Ivan Sokolov To: jbranso@dismail.de Cc: "Bodertz" , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: GOOPS-less Shepherd In-Reply-To: (jbranso@dismail.de's message of "Mon, 10 Apr 2023 00:59:49 +0000") References: <87ttxpn7ne.fsf@ya.ru> <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> <84edou9tgb.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:49:15 +0300 Message-ID: <877cujr2s4.fsf@ya.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.154.239.80; envelope-from=ivan-p-sokolov@ya.ru; helo=forward500a.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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From >>> what I understand from your message, users' configs will stop working in >>> a few months when 1.0.x releases (or with the macro would "kinda work"), >>> which is at least a short-term con, so what's the long-term benefit of >>> this change? Is GOOPS so bad a thing to require? >> >> If I understand correctly, that will allow Shepherd to run on GNU Mes, >> a Scheme interpreter written for Guix bootstraping. > > So by removing the Shepherd's dependency on GNU Mes, the Guix project > benefits by simplying its bootstrapping process? Where did this come from? No, Mes is not a Shepherd's dependency, please read the quotes again.