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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.30 X-Spam-Score: -10.30 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D635363801 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: s4qREot2R9US On Tue, Feb 06 2024, Tomas Volf wrote: > On 2024-02-05 23:08:29 +0100, Wilko Meyer wrote: >> Guix offers ways to use packages outside of Guix proper in a pretty feasible >> and maintainable way (manifests, setting up channels), maybe promoting them as >> an alternative to having things in guix proper "as soon as possible" (as >> that's not the only option to have things in a usable form) would be >> beneficial. > > I would just like to point out that while this applies to packages, it is bit > more complicated for services and other core parts of the Guix. Combined with > the fact that Guix severely restricts what workflow model can forks use (e.g. > merge not being possible if the fork should be authenticated), maintaining > non-package modifications for longer periods of time can be a hassle. Hi! Why is it more complicated with services? You don't need forks at all to use packages and services outside of Guix proper.