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In-Reply-To: <874jciuxqq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <874jciuxqq.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 13:10:08 -0700 Message-ID: <877che8axr.fsf@lease-up.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=208.82.101.137; envelope-from=felix.lechner@lease-up.com; helo=sail-ipv4.us-core.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Felix Lechner From: Felix Lechner via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.15 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -5.15 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D7B331C2C X-TUID: IYGntFMg8/zW Hi Maxim, On Wed, Apr 03 2024, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > I applaud the idea to have the users make a conscious decision Who does? > It apparently even makes it impossible to run 'guix pull' More than that, the references to online sources in our package declarations are useless. Would it be possible to install nss-certs from source? > [nss-certs would] be in the basic set of an operating-system packages That strikes me as rational but it would be valuable to hear from the other side---if there is one. Kind regards Felix