From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Subject: Re: Frequent locales problems for new users Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: <875zf1k4z2.fsf@nckx> References: <20200317202843.GA18844@jasmine.lan> <87eetp8zx1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jEbSp-0004co-SO for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:22:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jEbSo-00026n-7W for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:22:39 -0400 Received: from tobias.gr ([2a02:c205:2020:6054::1]:45320) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jEbSn-0001qv-O4 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:22:38 -0400 In-reply-to: <87eetp8zx1.fsf@gnu.org>, <20200318091248.c489e70495a0e5c21f1e9694@freenet.de> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org Cc: Leo Famulari , Thorsten Wilms --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludo', Thorsten, Leo, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Well, we still need to be able to install locales somehow,=20 > right? :-) This isn't about removing all locale packages, just the=20 poorly-named -utf8- variant. Thorsten Wilms =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > smaller than glibc-locales, but still sufficient for many cases. > Is that wrong? Yes and no. It's sufficient for many (but not most) humans, but=20 then that's true for ar_AE as well ;-) Here's what it contains: de_DE.utf8 el_GR.utf8 en_US.utf8 fr_FR.utf8 tr_TR.utf8 Offering this as our only choice of =E2=80=98sufficient=E2=80=99 user local= es has=20 some unpleasant cultural overtones to say the least. Where it is useful, and apparently does cover the majority of use=20 cases, is in test suites &c. It's a good package for machines.=20 Hiding it would make that clear, as we already do with=20 tzdata-for-tests. Ludovic Court=C3=A8s =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > As for =E2=80=98glibc-utf8-locales=E2=80=99 vs. =E2=80=98glibc-locales=E2= =80=99: the reason for=20 > choosing > the former by default over the latter is size (14 MiB vs. 917=20 > MiB). > Perhaps an improvement would be for =E2=80=98glibc-utf8-locales=E2=80=99 = to be=20 > more true > to its name: to include all the UTF-8 locales glibc supports=20 > rather than > an arbitrary sample thereof. That would make it well-named, so good by me! Kind regards, T G-R --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEfo+u0AlEeO9y5k0W2Imw8BjFSTwFAl5yStEACgkQ2Imw8BjF STzEHQ/9Hg615S/FaR/dqxe1Ku07qtqp6wtArPWR8IM0U4A71QDAKBdRsSGZatIH bsZsNvlZmG6Tyd0Avj+bNM1rqAR91RT08wzNUKSa3NFiVxsfyiTtFmGqPrRvY0El Z5Quh5ewElw7Ea4mtadcRY+CiPOPZKfRoe5mvq1JqPCUDQWOyhlyyMlX2S836V1D 8xMS8MppLH4ETDhABxTqmoObYgV2KZ2UUgm2huSM+9dDgecyIw0NdNBjax22LNrK PAyBcbLOK9xx4eEED6xdFdfWhAwIQqs1h/tDMpPKbiJ+ocIa7EwRe3OVWjipbh/s oH7eNnnHfJ3q/lZ0kr536oPvjTw5e8oHUHkidGRDIEMXycHmxT0pqJJvWE+6+udY 1Sqx0kyUycVqraPR8EWWm1AwK/mmCCZ40z0l31KrDCVd+vOyhCnPOzn8pBUQSvb7 InNrnUqy3owr7kbDuGUvdJ0Z1vZI2odQn0Lw62fSlD9Kp1MjNOrG2nMt0jZ7w+Ah dC4azK5Z4fDEvOlfKncxe5QHA3qLsgHDWd0WDSArrsoEnN8n83PQ9Wn/oPAnqyYe xFSI6ARP7Kilb9hqBiwX5dHl4BdvOXkq7wTM+M4FICgrL3VRe5RuWdRABSXMbVvG rQ0zjGe3ty5fEEo3pt2jWPm/xNAVamWNnf2nhd37dXoxhRoIarI= =OCOc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--