From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id eE0DH+3+r1+9NQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:59:41 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id cC2EGu3+r18sOAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:59:41 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C0749403A9 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40586 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdxxj-0004MW-Ug for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:59:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdxxU-0004Ld-O3 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:59:25 -0500 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:33253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdxxR-0006ZM-Fq; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:59:23 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 90.92.160.122 Received: from bababa (lfbn-idf2-1-1094-122.w90-92.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.92.160.122]) (Authenticated sender: mail@ambrevar.xyz) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC16D1C0004; Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:59:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Neidhardt To: zimoun , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: Reviving Emacs-Guix In-Reply-To: <867dqoyu34.fsf@tournier.info> References: <87ft5dzj2z.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <87tuttci4z.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87pn4g8eay.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <867dqoyu34.fsf@tournier.info> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:59:16 +0100 Message-ID: <875z68x73f.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.197; envelope-from=mail@ambrevar.xyz; helo=relay5-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/14 10:59:17 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD=0.5, PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD=1.999, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution , Ryan Prior Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-TUID: DvOig9n3uDBe --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Simon! zimoun writes: > Is it possible to currently build the packages using Emacs-Guix? > > And if you talk about =E2=80=98guix-devel-build-package-source=E2=80=98, = it needs before > to =E2=80=99run-geiser=E2=80=99, I guess. Yes, using guix-devel-build-package-source, or even building by writing Scheme code in the Guix REPL. >> - https://gitlab.com/emacs-geiser/geiser/-/issues/9 > > 8 months is bunch of time but not a while. :-) Actually 9 months, but the issue has been there forever. The problem is the Schemers are just painfully dealing with the status quo. I believe we need to address this. Geiser is lagging behind by far, compared to what SLIME, SLY, racket-mode and CIDER can offer. >> - https://gitlab.com/emacs-geiser/geiser/-/issues/11 > > 3 weeks is not a while, neither. ;-) Which 3 weeks? I think you looked at Maxim's comment :p The issue was also opened 9 months ago. >> I'd like insist: in the current state of Geiser, we cannot leverage it >> reliably in Emacs-Guix. We need to talk to Guix directly, e.g. with >> `guix repl` like I've done in Nyxt. > > For all what =E2=80=9Cguix-popup=E2=80=9D does, maybe pipe to =E2=80=9Cgu= ix repl=E2=80=9D should > simplify. But I do not see how one could work interactively without > Geiser; for example piping to =E2=80=9Cguix repl=E2=80=9D can not fix you= r concern about > =E2=80=9CTraces are not interactive=E2=80=9D, fixing Geiser can. Yes, but my point is that since traces are mostly useless as it is now, we don't lose any benefit by using `guix repl'. We have 2 options: =2D Fixing Geiser, which might take a long time, leaving us with a broken emacs-guix for the time being. It's not even clear that it can be done without rewriting everything. =2D Or use `guix repl`, which is known to work, already has working code out there, and can be deployed in a week or two. I find the second option more attractive. We can always go back to Geiser at some point in the future when it gets more reliable. Cheers! =2D-=20 Pierre Neidhardt https://ambrevar.xyz/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAEBCAAwFiEEUPM+LlsMPZAEJKvom9z0l6S7zH8FAl+v/tQSHG1haWxAYW1i cmV2YXIueHl6AAoJEJvc9Jeku8x/broH/3BsY3kh2BkYZS9l/lAgGKVijKMT575r 97ukB5MoYEk/i3o/g4UmUTBMVrCQUvjAG3kqoorpJevLqu8qm+HcghzlAgA0V6Hp wSiVyTEM0aPdqKGVs65uQDGk8LoamwpMkd6cjj+KJD7+b3odQiWRU0mmlaMk+6/U 6UKE0/MszD6SmReYkSWUJzDdxPwYsqayRSvlFWgFxpJdZh0+LEhiLNfr8cvu9qNk 4EdsTx3IphnnnDw5dKdSpF04mB6zOjQfbwBylfRwcr3HzmV7CJiYmVKKKKe+QzFL cXR1Pl3KdVX2pGN1PDERfXpY4J/L3lCirNVdfJxI5zA6ik9scbUMufk= =l9M2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--