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It happened to me quite recently, when a couple of us found that early 5.12.x kernels would lock up a Thinkpad X200 within minutes of booting. See . For those who can afford to deal with breakage like this at unscheduled times, the 'linux-libre' variable is likely the best choice. For those who prefer stability, I recommend 'linux-libre-X.YY' for some LTS series X.YY. The 'linux-libre-lts' variable seems to me the worst of both worlds, and likely to lead to some people getting burned from unexpected kernel upgrades that they might not have been expecting. If 'linux-libre-lts' is included as an option, I recommend adding text that makes it clear to users that automatic upgrades to newer LTS series will happen without warning, years before such upgrades are needed. What do you think? Regards, Mark -- Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about .