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What is advanced about Guix? Can I use it even if I'm not an advanced user? What do others think? Is there some historical background for this description of Guix? How about the attached patch to merely drop this term in some place? I would happily agree that Guix supports and encourages advanced features. But that is not exactly the same as saying Guix itself is advanced. If we want to use the term, I think it would be better to rephrase things as 'Guix supports advanced features such as X, Y and Z' if we really want to drive home that we are advanced. I would prefer to use a basic or even simple operating system, and I'd like to think Guix can be that for me, but maybe everyone has different preferences, so maybe it doesn't really have to say anything. (Or we could re-claim a variant of Debian's old slogan 'Guix - a free universal operating system' but that may be controversial...) The patch is meant as food for thought as I'm sure I'm missing something, and it may be a language/cultural thing. /Simon --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-website-Reduce-use-of-advanced-term.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From=20aac8f6d1fb382b9f9120b7cd51dc80e8ef07cc03 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Simon Josefsson Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 22:35:15 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] website: Reduce use of 'advanced' term. =2D-- website/apps/base/templates/about.scm | 4 ++-- website/apps/base/templates/home.scm | 6 +++--- 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) diff --git a/website/apps/base/templates/about.scm b/website/apps/base/temp= lates/about.scm index 9e2d252..1cf2f65 100644 =2D-- a/website/apps/base/templates/about.scm +++ b/website/apps/base/templates/about.scm @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@ (theme #:title (C_ "webpage title" '("About")) #:description =2D (G_ "Guix is an advanced distribution of the GNU operating system. + (G_ "Guix is a distribution of the GNU operating system. Guix is technology that respects the freedom of computer users. You are free to run the system for any purpose, study how it works, improve it, and share it with the whole world.") @@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ system|GNU Hurd|GNU Guix package manager") #\|) =20 ,(G_ `(p =2D "Guix System is an advanced distribution of the " + "Guix System is a distribution of the " ,(G_ `(a (@ (href ,(gnu-url))) "GNU operating system")) ". It uses the " ,(G_ `(a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "software/linux-libre"))) "Linux-lib= re")) diff --git a/website/apps/base/templates/home.scm b/website/apps/base/templ= ates/home.scm index 7b72da8..8a0bccd 100644 =2D-- a/website/apps/base/templates/home.scm +++ b/website/apps/base/templates/home.scm @@ -18,9 +18,9 @@ "Return the Home page in SHTML using the data in CONTEXT." 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