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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.83 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B96195A64B X-Spam-Score: -10.83 X-TUID: vKiV70dbx1Mt Nathan Dehnel writes: > I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter bollocks. Switching to Emacs (from vi) took me three summers. I kept trying because I had seen how helpful it was, and well the statement that "the GNU project will use it as its editor". That was some 25y ago and it was time very well spent. After I switched, I taught it to my dad for his latex editing, who went on to create patches for the Dutch tutorial because he wanted to give back something.. If he could learn, most anyone should be able to pick it up. People are still indenting their code manually today, etc... it's ridiculous. Also, magit. Greetings, Janneke --=20 Janneke Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond https://LilyPond.org Freelance IT https://www.JoyOfSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE https://AvatarAcade= my.com