From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:39:07 +0100 Message-ID: <874lz0err8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87pohuyc1f.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41667) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cmSFo-000671-Ng for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:39:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cmSFj-0000PQ-Rd for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:39:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:20:05 +0100") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: David Craven Cc: guix-devel Hello David, Thanks for providing feedback. You make it sound like GuixSD is unusable on real hardware due to the lack of proprietary firmware, but reality is different. I think this section I wrote a while back pretty accurately reflects the situation: https://gnu.org/software/guix/manual/html_node/Hardware-Considerations.ht= ml On many laptops WiFi doesn=E2=80=99t work out of the box because they come = with Intel WiFi chips and Intel denies its customers the 4 freedoms, security, and privacy. Lack of WiFi is an important issue of course, but it=E2=80=99s easily worked around and it=E2=80=99s pretty much the only= issue. Perhaps you take hardware support in GNU/Linux for granted. When I started using GNU/Linux, things like sound support or graphics mode support or webcams would often be missing=E2=80=94things were a lot more difficult in practice. It=E2=80=99s the dedicated work of volunteers that brought us drivers for all this. I don=E2=80=99t feel any pressure to give in proprietary software for the e= xtra 1% convenience it=E2=80=99d bring me. Now, as others pointed out, GuixSD doesn=E2=80=99t prevent you from running= the software you want. As you know, GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH serves this purpose: you can easily extend the distro and tweak it to your needs. One last thing: please don=E2=80=99t describe political struggles as =E2=80= =9Creligion.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s unnecessarily offensive, especially when talking to an atheist. Happy hacking, and consider using =E2=80=98guix environment=E2=80=99 to eas= e your new hacking life! :-) Ludo=E2=80=99.