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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 50077@debbugs.gnu.org, guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1630497987; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=17/EhrpEdHnc4aJRIlDt0QRe9SaZX3/HEIznIuXjPXM=; b=JKJwG2lsIAp1Bri57InAcYrO8MpRPASKpoaM4yBurMCJKpw7MUPZ5hZhL/xFmdyAbKaW+e UnsuLwLHy0XcE1LmlP7N9HGm1XBTl5KvC9kV6gD6aBQlAWWEQA2z+aTTHYe4wXyL6DN1Qc mDg1tbTJwNOl5Hk41uq018pxJfGVZHgaA3+24U+i/NfwtFbl3VFvvk+Aogq8+Q5URUj3UX QR72wIy/VVdAieDETvQomfsZtA5VnEbnAYLb7fhY85pIJz5aSpe7GThNYyKCWFytFWIzYM uMjy/UiT0qgBkLJuN8fxEMV9AMtn+NT2MaKD6aBROOIaLbXVHR29IjZ4AVhzog== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1630497987; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UlQug6xQItzODRmkzimVOGgaNplrqhpoxR24bC9EBzPw8jrXcnZGfO6wB5hJRfq0TqHLS+ 92lBDXbA3rJbmws8EiFmRvDelhpZtx4GTtcGs54a1xLSVL4tFJ61NdikWqxi6m4t2TquuE Ak2jp2DrMTeA1ZT66S2d8JfFP4mTCOLO6I5qVADEjpuFzesgFnfsFTnlCEohAj/8U+dBzs O/Fb6QdPO21HAJYpD8M4tFgqcpEIdWH2dJZpQc7cgsV+KrA6SsLqLXO+mZ/zZGQtqK97mw Lmz2g1MbLHoJYPv7lnA9zLSeHzG7nyoD5h9L82Dc633fHsVtjhQowPf5LdqCJA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=yoctocell.xyz header.s=mail header.b=hQPKsdBl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yoctocell.xyz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=yoctocell.xyz header.s=mail header.b=hQPKsdBl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yoctocell.xyz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 082ECB952 X-Spam-Score: -5.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: sloZAZ3Tfowp --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 01 2021, Andrew Tropin wrote: > On 2021-08-30 15:33, Xinglu Chen wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 30 2021, Andrew Tropin wrote: >> >>>> Why would it be more consistent to make a separate package? Making a >>>> separate package is usually used for packaging a slightly different >>>> version of the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D package, e.g., =E2=80=98emacs= -next-pgtk=E2=80=99 adds native >>>> compilation and pure GTK support for Emacs., =E2=80=98emacs-no-x=E2=80= =99 removes X >>>> suport for =E2=80=98emacs=E2=80=99. =E2=80=98emacs-notmuch=E2=80=99 i= sn=E2=80=99t really a different version of >>>> =E2=80=98notmuch=E2=80=99, it=E2=80=99s just =E2=80=98notmuch=E2=80=99= but with all the non-Elisp stuff >>>> removed. This is usually what using different outputs tries to achiev= e, >>>> e.g., separate documentation from the main package, or in this case, >>>> separate Elisp stuff from the main package. >>>> >>> >>> Almost all elisp packages in Guix have a emacs- prefix, so as a user I >>> expect to find notmuch*.el in emacs-notmuch package and notmuch binary >>> in notmuch package, despite the fact that upstream distributes the >>> source code for both of them in one tarball. >> >> Good point, however, If we were to have separate =E2=80=98emacs-=E2=80= =99 packages for >> the packages that also contain Elisp stuff, should those packages still >> include the Emacs package in their output, i.e., should the =E2=80=98not= much=E2=80=99 >> package still include notmuch.el, or should the Elisp stuff only be in >> =E2=80=98emacs-notmuch=E2=80=99? >> > > IMO, notmuch package should not include Elisp stuff, at least I don't > see use cases, where it can be useful, but see where it can be > harmful. Should this apply to other packages that contains Elisp stuff too, or is it specific to =E2=80=98notmuch=E2=80=99? 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