From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>
Cc: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>, Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:19:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874k0muvvp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lety2ywg.fsf@systemreboot.net> (Arun Isaac's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2022 12:31:35 +0530")
Hi,
Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net> skribis:
>> That’s why, I think the project should:
>>
>> 1. change the default branch of “git push” vs the default branch of
>> “guix pull”.
>>
>> 2. add a bit more of checkers on patch submission easing patch
>> review.
>
> I like and support both these ideas. Maybe, they are even long overdue!
> ;-)
I like them too!
#1 is more involved than it sounds though: there would need some tooling
and/or human intervention to merge things from the push branch to the
pull branch. I don’t have a clear idea of how to do this.
> I would also like to raise a couple of more controversial suggestions:
>
> Should we restrict the set of packages that will be accepted into Guix?
> Currently, we accept practically any free software package into
> Guix. Should we limit the number of packages we will accept in order to
> ease maintenance? "Minimal" distros like Arch Linux do this, for
> example.
>
> The cons are that, say if we reject packages involving difficult
> languages (think javascript), we may alienate a section of our users
> (and potential users) and thus inhibit further growth. If we go down
> this route, Guix may never grow into an "universal distribution" like
> Debian is.
I’ve been wondering about that too. Clearly there’s a tension here.
The main difficulty as I see it is how do we draw a line?
For example, assume we came up two years ago with a policy to not
include Rust packages and instead have them in a guix-rust channel. Two
years later, Rust has become a dependency of a number of core packages,
so we have to have Rust, or at least a large subset thereof, in the main
channel.
Then there’s the question of leaf packages (applications): how do you
assess the usefulness of an application? How do you determine that an
application is no longer used?
> Also, should we remove old/broken/unused/rarely-used packages from Guix?
> In the past, I have packaged and contributed very niche packages which
> probably no one else uses, and sometimes even I don't use anymore. But,
> these packages continue to stay in Guix and add to the maintenance
> burden. Should we have some policy to phase out such packages,
> especially if such packages break often? I mean, that there is no need
> to phase out an elisp package that builds trivially all the time, but
> what about more complex packages that take many many hours to maintain?
I think we do that from time to time, but it’s an entirely manual
process. Sometimes a patch to remove a package triggers a reply with a
patch to fix that package’s build process too (I’ve done that a couple
of times :-)).
What could help though is a dashboard, in Cuirass or in the Data
Service, that would display packages that have been failing to build
“for some time”.
Thoughts,
Ludo’.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-15 9:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-02 15:10 On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-02 20:22 ` Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2022-06-03 19:37 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-03 21:17 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-06-07 7:08 ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-07 15:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-08 11:39 ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-08 21:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-20 12:53 ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-06-21 15:44 ` zimoun
2022-06-22 9:19 ` Munyoki Kilyungi
2022-06-02 20:32 ` Pier-Hugues Pellerin
2022-06-03 19:42 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-02 21:35 ` Luis Felipe
2022-06-03 8:22 ` Feed on specific topic (public-inbox?) zimoun
2022-06-03 10:51 ` zimoun
2022-06-06 12:11 ` On commit access, patch review, and remaining healthy Arun Isaac
2022-06-06 21:43 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-07 6:44 ` zimoun
2022-06-08 9:30 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-14 12:24 ` zimoun
2022-06-15 7:01 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-15 9:19 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-06-19 6:55 ` Paul Jewell
2022-06-20 12:11 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-15 15:11 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-08 10:54 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-09 19:55 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-08 9:49 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-09 19:50 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-10 12:27 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-10 15:03 ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-10 16:10 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-10 16:26 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-10 15:03 ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-11 4:13 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2022-06-11 9:37 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-14 11:54 ` zimoun
2022-06-14 15:54 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-15 6:46 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-13 12:19 ` Arun Isaac
[not found] <mailman.12124.1654864076.1231.guix-devel@gnu.org>
2022-06-12 8:18 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-06-12 9:42 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-12 13:10 ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-13 9:34 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-13 10:48 ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-13 14:21 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2022-06-12 8:21 ` Ricardo Wurmus
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