Release v1.4?

Release v1.4?

[zimoun]

Hi,

It is time for a release!  We were almost there on January… time
flies. ;-)

Many things are pending and I feel we need a small impulsion for a
general motivation. :-)

Well, it seems conditioned by the status of the build farms.  Is all
fine in this area?


Schedule a release is the occasion to tackle some not-so-fun tasks as
merging the ’staging’ branch [1], many upgrades as Haskell [2] or Julia,
etc.

Even, it could also be the occasion to complete the purge of Python 2. :-)

Vagrant proposed [3] to fix low-hanging fruit issues in synopsis and
description.  It is an occasion for a meetup [4].

For instance, a release date on July could be neat.  WDYT?


Please comment bug#53214 [5] or answer to this message for listing the
blocking points; as discussed in this thread [6].


1: <https://yhetil.org/guix/878rrn5vy3.fsf@inria.fr>
2: <https://yhetil.org/guix/Yl/9/Ly/WevaVxlj@noor.fritz.box>
3: <https://yhetil.org/guix/877dbxznto.fsf@ponder>
4: <https://yhetil.org/guix/87pmmkt6k2.fsf@contorta>
5: <http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/53214>
6: <https://yhetil.org/guix/86ilvnh7kt.fsf@gmail.com>


Cheers,
simon

Re: Release v1.4?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> skribis:

> Schedule a release is the occasion to tackle some not-so-fun tasks as
> merging the ’staging’ branch [1], many upgrades as Haskell [2] or Julia,
> etc.

Thanks for the heads-up!  I think merging ‘staging’ should be
top-priority.  People are welcome to upgrade/reconfigure from it with:

  guix time-machine --branch=staging -- …

Remaining things to check:

  - [ ] system tests
  - [ ] status on non-x86_64 architectures

Ludo’.

Re: Release v1.4?

[zimoun]

Hi,

On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 at 18:41, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

>   guix time-machine --branch=staging -- …
>
> Remaining things to check:
>
>   - [ ] system tests
>   - [ ] status on non-x86_64 architectures

I agree.  To me, it is part of the same effort.  From my point of view,
we missed the window for releasing at the previous core-updates merge.
I would like to avoid to miss it. :-)

Somehow, we all have various constraints on our agenda so if we do not
set some deadlines in advance, it is hard to free some slots compared to
the continuous other “urgent” tasks from elsewhere.

My email is a call (July is a proposal) for synchronizing our agenda and
agree on some deadlines and make them happen.


Cheers,
simon

Re: Release v1.4?

[vidak]

On 2022-06-06 01:57, zimoun wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 at 18:41, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
>>   guix time-machine --branch=staging -- …
>>
>> Remaining things to check:
>>
>>   - [ ] system tests
>>   - [ ] status on non-x86_64 architectures
> 
> I agree.  To me, it is part of the same effort.  From my point of view,
> we missed the window for releasing at the previous core-updates merge.
> I would like to avoid to miss it. :-)
> 
> Somehow, we all have various constraints on our agenda so if we do not
> set some deadlines in advance, it is hard to free some slots compared to
> the continuous other “urgent” tasks from elsewhere.
> 
> My email is a call (July is a proposal) for synchronizing our agenda and
> agree on some deadlines and make them happen.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> simon

can i help with the system tests?

how do i do those?

~vidak

Re: Release v1.4?

[Maxim Cournoyer]

Hello,

vidak@riseup.net writes:

> On 2022-06-06 01:57, zimoun wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 at 18:41, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>   guix time-machine --branch=staging -- …
>>>
>>> Remaining things to check:
>>>
>>>   - [ ] system tests
>>>   - [ ] status on non-x86_64 architectures
>> 
>> I agree.  To me, it is part of the same effort.  From my point of view,
>> we missed the window for releasing at the previous core-updates merge.
>> I would like to avoid to miss it. :-)
>> 
>> Somehow, we all have various constraints on our agenda so if we do not
>> set some deadlines in advance, it is hard to free some slots compared to
>> the continuous other “urgent” tasks from elsewhere.
>> 
>> My email is a call (July is a proposal) for synchronizing our agenda and
>> agree on some deadlines and make them happen.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> simon
>
> can i help with the system tests?
>
> how do i do those?

You can run them locally with 'make check-system' (beware: some are
expensive).

Thanks!

Maxim

Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:

> Thanks for the heads-up!  I think merging ‘staging’ should be
> top-priority.  People are welcome to upgrade/reconfigure from it with:
>
>   guix time-machine --branch=staging -- …
>
> Remaining things to check:
>
>   - [ ] system tests

I set up a jobset and we’re doing okay compared to ‘master’:

  https://ci.guix.gnu.org/jobset/staging-tests

The main regression is the timescaledb test, because timescaledb fails
its tests on that branch (help welcome!).

Then there’s what looks like a transient failure of the installation
test, which is more worrisome but not a regression I believe:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Jun  5 17:44:46 localhost installer[252]: command ("guix" "system" "init" "--fallback" "--no-grafts" "--no-substitutes" "/mnt/etc/config.scm" "/mnt") succeeded 

conversation expecting pattern ((quote installation-complete))
Jun  5 17:44:46 localhost shepherd[1]: Service guix-daemon has been stopped. 

Jun  5 17:44:46 localhost shepherd[1]: Service guix-daemon has been started. 

Jun  5 17:44:46 localhost installer[252]: crashing due to uncaught exception: system-error ("umount" "~S: ~A" ("/remove" "Device or resource busy") (16)) 

Jun  5 17:44:47 localhost installer[252]: running form #<newt-form 21d9960> ("Unexpected problem") with 1 clients 

Jun  5 17:44:47 localhost installer[252]: form #<newt-form 21d9960> ("Unexpected problem"): client 20 replied #t 

/gnu/store/87wf3r1v18an9cj8d2jkh0240g07dqd6-shepherd-marionette.scm:1:1718: ERROR:
  1. &pattern-not-matched:
      pattern: ((quote installation-complete))
      sexp: (contents-dialog (title "Unexpected problem") (text "The installer has encountered an unexpected problem. The backtrace is displayed below. You may choose to exit or create a dump archive.") (content "In ./gnu/installer/steps.scm:\n   144:13 19 (run ((substitutes . #f) (network (select-technology . #<<technology> name: \"Wired\" type: \"ethernet\" powered?: #t connected?: #t>) (power-technology . #<unspecified>) (# . #<<???>) ???) ???) ???)\n   144:13 18 (run ((user #<<user> name: \"root\" real-name: \"\" group: \"users\" password: <secret> home-directory: \"/root\"> #<<user> name: \"alice\" real-name: \"Alice\" group: \"users\" password: <s???> ???) ???) ???)\n   144:13 17 (run ((services #<<system-service> name: \"GNOME\" type: desktop recommended?: #f snippet: ((service gnome-desktop-service-type)) packages: ()> #<<system-service> name: \"Xfce\" ty???> ???) ???) ???)\n   142:23 16 (run ((partition #<<user-partition> name: #f type: normal file-name: \"/dev/vda1\" disk-file-name: \"/dev/vda\" crypt-label: #f crypt-password: #f fs-type: ext4 bootable?: #t esp?:???> ???) ???) ???)\nIn ./gnu/installer/newt/final.scm:\n   128:11 15 (run-final-page ((partition #<<user-partition> name: #f type: normal file-name: \"/dev/vda1\" disk-file-name: \"/dev/vda\" crypt-label: #f crypt-password: #f fs-type: ext4 bootable???> ???) ???) ???)\n   101:21 14 (run-install-shell \"en_HK.utf8\" #:users _)\nIn ./gnu/installer/final.scm:\n    191:5 13 (install-system \"en_HK.utf8\" #:users _)\n   113:13 12 (call-with-mnt-container #<procedure 7f6f6b992080 at ./gnu/installer/final.scm:192:7 ()>)\nIn gnu/build/linux-container.scm:\n   265:16 11 (run-container _ _ (mnt) _ #<procedure 7f6f6b992080 at ./gnu/installer/final.scm:192:7 ()> #:guest-uid _ #:guest-gid _)\nIn ./gnu/installer/final.scm:\n   222:13 10 (_)\nIn gnu/build/install.scm:\n    270:5  9 (unmount-cow-store \"/mnt\" \"/tmp/guix-inst\")\nIn guix/build/syscalls.scm:\n    588:8  8 (_ _ _ #:update-mtab? _)\nIn ice-9/boot-9.scm:\n  1685:16  7 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _)\n  1780:13  6 (_ #<&compound-exception components: (#<&external-error> #<&origin origin: \"umount\"> #<&message message: \"~S: ~A\"> #<&irritants irritants: (\"/remove\" \"Device or resource busy\")> #<&ex???>)\nIn ice-9/eval.scm:\n    619:8  5 (_ #(#(#(#<directory (guile-user) 7f6f74584c80>) system-error (\"umount\" \"~S: ~A\" (\"/remove\" \"Device or resource busy\") (16))) #<variable 7f6f60988c40 value: #<unspecified>> #<varia???> ???))\n   626:19  4 (_ #(#(#(#<directory (guile-user) 7f6f74584c80>) system-error (\"umount\" \"~S: ~A\" (\"/remove\" \"Device or resource busy\") (16))) #<variable 7f6f60988c40 value: #<unspecified>> #<varia???> ???))\nIn ./gnu/installer/dump.scm:\n     54:4  3 (prepare-dump system-error (\"umount\" \"~S: ~A\" (\"/remove\" \"Device or resource busy\") (16)) #:result _)\nIn ice-9/ports.scm:\n   433:17  2 (call-with-output-file _ _ #:binary _ #:encoding _)\nIn ./gnu/installer/dump.scm:\n    56:27  1 (_ #<output: installer-backtrace 7>)\nIn unknown file:\n           0 (make-stack #t)\n./gnu/installer/dump.scm:58:36: In procedure umount: \"/remove\": Device or resource busy\n"))
Jun  5 17:44:47 localhost installer[196]: unmounting "/mnt/" 

Backtrace:
           2 (primitive-load "/gnu/store/58r38d916naqslddflkwf8xavyv?")
In ice-9/eval.scm:
   191:35  1 (_ #f)
    619:8  0 (_ #(#<directory (guile-user) 7fffeffcfc80> #<variabl?>))

ice-9/eval.scm:619:8: Throw to key `marionette-eval-failure' with args `((quote (complete-installation installer-socket)))'.
builder for `/gnu/store/zmg87adhblg5c7jv0c06wsb7rancxxq0-installation.drv' failed with exit code 1
@ build-failed /gnu/store/zmg87adhblg5c7jv0c06wsb7rancxxq0-installation.drv - 1 builder for `/gnu/store/zmg87adhblg5c7jv0c06wsb7rancxxq0-installation.drv' failed with exit code 1
cannot build derivation `/gnu/store/2lr3d1yapxf8azx7mzxkmgxc4zgl9sky-gui-installed-desktop-os-encrypted.drv': 1 dependencies couldn't be built
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

(From <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/958038/details>.)

>   - [ ] status on non-x86_64 architectures

‘guix weather -s i686-linux’ says 89% (which is underestimated, because
it wrongfully checks for all the packages, including unsupported
packages), which sounds good.

We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?

Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
couple of days.  Thoughts?

Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:17:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:
> 
> ‘guix weather -s i686-linux’ says 89% (which is underestimated, because
> it wrongfully checks for all the packages, including unsupported
> packages), which sounds good.
> 
> We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?
> 
> Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
> couple of days.  Thoughts?

Currently ci.guix.gnu.org isn't building any of the aarch64 packages,
and it looks like it hasn't since about May 26th. Once those start
building again I expect we'll see it's doing well. Minus perhaps the
rust stuff since I'm not sure the offload build machines can handle
that.

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Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hey Efraim,

Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:

> On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:17:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:
>> 
>> ‘guix weather -s i686-linux’ says 89% (which is underestimated, because
>> it wrongfully checks for all the packages, including unsupported
>> packages), which sounds good.
>> 
>> We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?
>> 
>> Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
>> couple of days.  Thoughts?
>
> Currently ci.guix.gnu.org isn't building any of the aarch64 packages,
> and it looks like it hasn't since about May 26th. Once those start
> building again I expect we'll see it's doing well. Minus perhaps the
> rust stuff since I'm not sure the offload build machines can handle
> that.

Hmm the situation is bad indeed:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ ./pre-inst-env  guix weather -s aarch64-linux -c200
computing 18,932 package derivations for aarch64-linux...
looking for 19,704 store items on https://ci.guix.gnu.org...
https://ci.guix.gnu.org
  17.1% substitutes available (3,360 out of 19,704)
  at least 22,303.1 MiB of nars (compressed)
  24,029.2 MiB on disk (uncompressed)
  0.006 seconds per request (114.2 seconds in total)
  172.5 requests per second

  5.3% (870 out of 16,344) of the missing items are queued
  at least 1,000 queued builds
      aarch64-linux: 840 (84.0%)
      x86_64-linux: 84 (8.4%)
      powerpc64le-linux: 72 (7.2%)
      armhf-linux: 4 (.4%)
  build rate: 143.62 builds per hour
      i686-linux: 99.96 builds per hour
      x86_64-linux: 31.51 builds per hour
      aarch64-linux: 25.66 builds per hour
      powerpc64le-linux: 3.14 builds per hour
729 packages are missing from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' for 'aarch64-linux', among which:
  14236	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
  10066	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
  7723	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
  6552	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
  4555	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
  4231	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
  3788	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
  3320	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
  3297	xcb-util@0.4.0	/gnu/store/n2x5kvy5zxbnh28ak7rbvw6brp97z1c9-xcb-util-0.4.0 
  3279	xcb-util-wm@0.4.1	/gnu/store/hhasmz0l5f10f9nfg0nx378c7bcgf9v0-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1 
  3263	libxres@1.2.1	/gnu/store/5mpjhsyq2bbri006g7lh6h82239s8fb8-libxres-1.2.1 
  1383	xprop@1.2.5	/gnu/store/61x7vscvrz8zqda73dlq5x35anhz8f8k-xprop-1.2.5 
  1381	xdg-user-dirs@0.17	/gnu/store/gab0ycim14xflaxzp8arg8hfapx73z3l-xdg-user-dirs-0.17 
  1368	docbook2x@0.8.8	/gnu/store/cclsrji5p14aj8bg3kmhkj5532k7l5m4-docbook2x-0.8.8 
  1286	perl-net-ssleay@1.92	/gnu/store/cn77pic9249j7h002a9701v0xzpi28yk-perl-net-ssleay-1.92 
  1179	emacs-minimal@28.1	/gnu/store/c768r60pj3f2af2ysbjqdnlxwpgwmmpp-emacs-minimal-28.1 
  1121	go-std@1.17.9	/gnu/store/fqdkzg6nlzhj93ysjqxrmqsz8srq2l9r-go-std-1.17.9 
  1021	ruby-activemodel@6.1.3	/gnu/store/12gm34s68siqdfagc16ldjdp03klc5xw-ruby-activemodel-6.1.3 
  1005	ruby-shoulda-matchers@2.8.0	/gnu/store/zcbdlp0qqb3axsmfvd8rdmn70kwdiw11-ruby-shoulda-matchers-2.8.0 
  1001	ruby-webmock@2.3.2	/gnu/store/jfrng4404avghlkyxw2y5hqpdn8v3mih-ruby-webmock-2.3.2 
   976	ruby-sawyer@0.8.2	/gnu/store/w0aaby4lvdcz0dr5006mx2ik6l1v2s5l-ruby-sawyer-0.8.2 
   634	jikes@1.22	/gnu/store/nwkrhbzbd8s9dysgik58af93b2kjm4w3-jikes-1.22 
   622	nss-certs@3.71	/gnu/store/01k1v00g7vc7n90y5yr9bacrnr3ml46p-nss-certs-3.71 
   576	texlive-latex-cmap@59745	/gnu/store/zdws0y31a1hhgxb80qc2lx4smmp9pmgc-texlive-latex-cmap-59745 
   558	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
   491	xmodmap@1.0.10	/gnu/store/rm8ww2flazqypwiagizbbsslv0g86h67-xmodmap-1.0.10 
   489	ucd@14.0.0	/gnu/store/f3hkrqnsj9dadliaixrlh17z4c9bsjfl-ucd-14.0.0 
   400	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
   317	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
   309	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
   290	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
   272	libunwind-julia@1.3.1	/gnu/store/i8c1hpdxdjb86vn4bqjiml5gad6mnrw5-libunwind-julia-1.3.1 
   268	ocaml@4.14.0	/gnu/store/zvz0xlwm7mvipr7c8q15fw7r6r25nn4s-ocaml-4.14.0 
   256	mailutils@3.15	/gnu/store/6c5sd4z84p8mbck8b5vn4vd6s05mkbrc-mailutils-3.15 
   246	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
   241	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
   238	xcb-util@0.4.0	/gnu/store/n2x5kvy5zxbnh28ak7rbvw6brp97z1c9-xcb-util-0.4.0 
   237	xcb-util-wm@0.4.1	/gnu/store/hhasmz0l5f10f9nfg0nx378c7bcgf9v0-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1 
   237	libxres@1.2.1	/gnu/store/5mpjhsyq2bbri006g7lh6h82239s8fb8-libxres-1.2.1 
   233	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
   226	xdg-user-dirs@0.17	/gnu/store/gab0ycim14xflaxzp8arg8hfapx73z3l-xdg-user-dirs-0.17 
   223	xprop@1.2.5	/gnu/store/61x7vscvrz8zqda73dlq5x35anhz8f8k-xprop-1.2.5 
   223	docbook2x@0.8.8	/gnu/store/cclsrji5p14aj8bg3kmhkj5532k7l5m4-docbook2x-0.8.8 
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

There are currently three Overdrive machines processing the AArch64
build backlog:

  https://ci.guix.gnu.org/workers

I propose to let them do more work overnight and merge tomorrow
afternoon CEST.  How does that sound?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 11:24:22PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hey Efraim,
> 
> Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:17:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:
> >> 
> >> ‘guix weather -s i686-linux’ says 89% (which is underestimated, because
> >> it wrongfully checks for all the packages, including unsupported
> >> packages), which sounds good.
> >> 
> >> We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?
> >> 
> >> Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
> >> couple of days.  Thoughts?
> >
> > Currently ci.guix.gnu.org isn't building any of the aarch64 packages,
> > and it looks like it hasn't since about May 26th. Once those start
> > building again I expect we'll see it's doing well. Minus perhaps the
> > rust stuff since I'm not sure the offload build machines can handle
> > that.
> 
> Hmm the situation is bad indeed:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ ./pre-inst-env  guix weather -s aarch64-linux -c200
> computing 18,932 package derivations for aarch64-linux...
> looking for 19,704 store items on https://ci.guix.gnu.org...
> https://ci.guix.gnu.org
>   17.1% substitutes available (3,360 out of 19,704)
>   at least 22,303.1 MiB of nars (compressed)
>   24,029.2 MiB on disk (uncompressed)
>   0.006 seconds per request (114.2 seconds in total)
>   172.5 requests per second
> 
>   5.3% (870 out of 16,344) of the missing items are queued
>   at least 1,000 queued builds
>       aarch64-linux: 840 (84.0%)
>       x86_64-linux: 84 (8.4%)
>       powerpc64le-linux: 72 (7.2%)
>       armhf-linux: 4 (.4%)
>   build rate: 143.62 builds per hour
>       i686-linux: 99.96 builds per hour
>       x86_64-linux: 31.51 builds per hour
>       aarch64-linux: 25.66 builds per hour
>       powerpc64le-linux: 3.14 builds per hour
> 729 packages are missing from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' for 'aarch64-linux', among which:
>   14236	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
>   10066	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
>   7723	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
>   6552	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
>   4555	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
>   4231	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
>   3788	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
>   3320	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
>   3297	xcb-util@0.4.0	/gnu/store/n2x5kvy5zxbnh28ak7rbvw6brp97z1c9-xcb-util-0.4.0 
>   3279	xcb-util-wm@0.4.1	/gnu/store/hhasmz0l5f10f9nfg0nx378c7bcgf9v0-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1 
>   3263	libxres@1.2.1	/gnu/store/5mpjhsyq2bbri006g7lh6h82239s8fb8-libxres-1.2.1 
>   1383	xprop@1.2.5	/gnu/store/61x7vscvrz8zqda73dlq5x35anhz8f8k-xprop-1.2.5 
>   1381	xdg-user-dirs@0.17	/gnu/store/gab0ycim14xflaxzp8arg8hfapx73z3l-xdg-user-dirs-0.17 
>   1368	docbook2x@0.8.8	/gnu/store/cclsrji5p14aj8bg3kmhkj5532k7l5m4-docbook2x-0.8.8 
>   1286	perl-net-ssleay@1.92	/gnu/store/cn77pic9249j7h002a9701v0xzpi28yk-perl-net-ssleay-1.92 
>   1179	emacs-minimal@28.1	/gnu/store/c768r60pj3f2af2ysbjqdnlxwpgwmmpp-emacs-minimal-28.1 
>   1121	go-std@1.17.9	/gnu/store/fqdkzg6nlzhj93ysjqxrmqsz8srq2l9r-go-std-1.17.9 
>   1021	ruby-activemodel@6.1.3	/gnu/store/12gm34s68siqdfagc16ldjdp03klc5xw-ruby-activemodel-6.1.3 
>   1005	ruby-shoulda-matchers@2.8.0	/gnu/store/zcbdlp0qqb3axsmfvd8rdmn70kwdiw11-ruby-shoulda-matchers-2.8.0 
>   1001	ruby-webmock@2.3.2	/gnu/store/jfrng4404avghlkyxw2y5hqpdn8v3mih-ruby-webmock-2.3.2 
>    976	ruby-sawyer@0.8.2	/gnu/store/w0aaby4lvdcz0dr5006mx2ik6l1v2s5l-ruby-sawyer-0.8.2 
>    634	jikes@1.22	/gnu/store/nwkrhbzbd8s9dysgik58af93b2kjm4w3-jikes-1.22 
>    622	nss-certs@3.71	/gnu/store/01k1v00g7vc7n90y5yr9bacrnr3ml46p-nss-certs-3.71 
>    576	texlive-latex-cmap@59745	/gnu/store/zdws0y31a1hhgxb80qc2lx4smmp9pmgc-texlive-latex-cmap-59745 
>    558	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
>    491	xmodmap@1.0.10	/gnu/store/rm8ww2flazqypwiagizbbsslv0g86h67-xmodmap-1.0.10 
>    489	ucd@14.0.0	/gnu/store/f3hkrqnsj9dadliaixrlh17z4c9bsjfl-ucd-14.0.0 
>    400	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
>    317	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
>    309	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
>    290	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
>    272	libunwind-julia@1.3.1	/gnu/store/i8c1hpdxdjb86vn4bqjiml5gad6mnrw5-libunwind-julia-1.3.1 
>    268	ocaml@4.14.0	/gnu/store/zvz0xlwm7mvipr7c8q15fw7r6r25nn4s-ocaml-4.14.0 
>    256	mailutils@3.15	/gnu/store/6c5sd4z84p8mbck8b5vn4vd6s05mkbrc-mailutils-3.15 
>    246	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
>    241	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
>    238	xcb-util@0.4.0	/gnu/store/n2x5kvy5zxbnh28ak7rbvw6brp97z1c9-xcb-util-0.4.0 
>    237	xcb-util-wm@0.4.1	/gnu/store/hhasmz0l5f10f9nfg0nx378c7bcgf9v0-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1 
>    237	libxres@1.2.1	/gnu/store/5mpjhsyq2bbri006g7lh6h82239s8fb8-libxres-1.2.1 
>    233	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
>    226	xdg-user-dirs@0.17	/gnu/store/gab0ycim14xflaxzp8arg8hfapx73z3l-xdg-user-dirs-0.17 
>    223	xprop@1.2.5	/gnu/store/61x7vscvrz8zqda73dlq5x35anhz8f8k-xprop-1.2.5 
>    223	docbook2x@0.8.8	/gnu/store/cclsrji5p14aj8bg3kmhkj5532k7l5m4-docbook2x-0.8.8 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> There are currently three Overdrive machines processing the AArch64
> build backlog:
> 
>   https://ci.guix.gnu.org/workers
> 
> I propose to let them do more work overnight and merge tomorrow
> afternoon CEST.  How does that sound?
> 

My main concern is that so few of the missing items are queued to be
built. I've restarted some of them manually, but we're going to need to
tell cuirass to rebuild those packages.

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Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:

> My main concern is that so few of the missing items are queued to be
> built.

I wonder if that info is accurate.

For instance, https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/716980/details shows the
derivation for /gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3.
It is queued, just not being processed (yet).

> I've restarted some of them manually, but we're going to need to tell
> cuirass to rebuild those packages.

It went from 17.1% to 17.3% in two days, even though the AArch64
machines have been busy all along it seems.  Maybe they’ve been
processing the backlog that had accumulated on ‘master’ rather than the
things we care about.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ ./pre-inst-env  guix weather -s aarch64-linux -c200
computing 18,932 package derivations for aarch64-linux...
looking for 19,704 store items on https://ci.guix.gnu.org...
https://ci.guix.gnu.org
  17.3% substitutes available (3,410 out of 19,704)
  at least 22,359.4 MiB of nars (compressed)
  24,158.2 MiB on disk (uncompressed)
  0.008 seconds per request (127.0 seconds in total)
  128.7 requests per second

  0.0% (0 out of 16,294) of the missing items are queued
  at least 1,000 queued builds
      powerpc64le-linux: 987 (98.7%)
      aarch64-linux: 12 (1.2%)
      x86_64-linux: 1 (.1%)
  build rate: 40.03 builds per hour
      x86_64-linux: 16.83 builds per hour
      aarch64-linux: 11.23 builds per hour
      i686-linux: 9.03 builds per hour
      powerpc64le-linux: 3.04 builds per hour
1496 packages are missing from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' for 'aarch64-linux', among which:
  14236	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
  12379	nghttp2@1.44.0	/gnu/store/4cs553aj8x1xbavfzfdh4gn5idf5ij81-nghttp2-1.44.0-lib /gnu/store/4phvjrp12n8bfpncyp89414q2pa4d46q-nghttp2-1.44.0 
  10066	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
  7723	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
  6989	ninja@1.10.2	/gnu/store/jdq3xrcj0am4j698xr81hwgj8skcn7xq-ninja-1.10.2 
  6927	python-libxml2@2.9.12	/gnu/store/swgvpb6pb6nf84a08m8flmy7fjhxwvni-python-libxml2-2.9.12 
  6924	mallard-ducktype@1.0.2	/gnu/store/662lari1slhz56q8333sdczq1av9f799-mallard-ducktype-1.0.2 
  6552	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
  6503	python-fonttools@4.28.5	/gnu/store/vp3g1ddrv067gay8zk1xd7c0kcgq1cv5-python-fonttools-4.28.5 
  5120	python-wheel@0.37.0	/gnu/store/0rmkfrmrjsvf2hvl9px7h3g91zypmycz-python-wheel-0.37.0 
  5113	python-flit-core-bootstrap@3.5.1	/gnu/store/pcwmq56r3wb8wdv8blj8ajfsmvcj6wm1-python-flit-core-bootstrap-3.5.1 
  4555	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
  4231	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
  4041	python-markupsafe@2.0.1	/gnu/store/1k63s700a1sy3pvcms0kax7csqsjzxdr-python-markupsafe-2.0.1 
  3788	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
  3563	eudev@3.2.11	/gnu/store/nvdlxv30l6f06nclls7j6zi4s8cm1jnc-eudev-3.2.11 /gnu/store/5ja9bj947iir15ypmqzrwxk04w6vhiyz-eudev-3.2.11-static 
  3360	libpsl@0.21.1	/gnu/store/5jyxcfsgk0hsj6rzfsz84wnap6bn57ka-libpsl-0.21.1 
  3329	libevent@2.1.12	/gnu/store/28iivyxgqvnp2alx2fyqqx18md7pwja8-libevent-2.1.12-bin /gnu/store/cvvsdqkcb8z78bh7rhzirv2n4sb4svgg-libevent-2.1.12 
  3320	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
  3297	xcb-util@0.4.0	/gnu/store/n2x5kvy5zxbnh28ak7rbvw6brp97z1c9-xcb-util-0.4.0 
  3279	xcb-util-wm@0.4.1	/gnu/store/hhasmz0l5f10f9nfg0nx378c7bcgf9v0-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1 
  3263	libxres@1.2.1	/gnu/store/5mpjhsyq2bbri006g7lh6h82239s8fb8-libxres-1.2.1 
  3215	python-flit-core@3.5.1	/gnu/store/zldar3i40q3l40fypm8n6fh3kpddxhzq-python-flit-core-3.5.1 
  3213	python-pytz@2022.1	/gnu/store/byyn7jzs85r2n11hdbk98dk2ikb74z9n-python-pytz-2022.1 
  3205	python-pycparser@2.21	/gnu/store/4a5l67ama5msmd2qi8w7mvlq64b04znb-python-pycparser-2.21-doc /gnu/store/98g8chr9pcxyz0czp9fq2w3q8rm2sn14-python-pycparser-2.21 
  3201	python-idna@3.3	/gnu/store/fj5sc68s4g0rh5gycnzvx2nkmviphfyb-python-idna-3.3 
  3170	python-pretend@1.0.9	/gnu/store/ksyw3ffmmhizh25ql0jp7yfv5llg55km-python-pretend-1.0.9 
  3132	python-semantic-version@2.8.5	/gnu/store/0g95jbn19fwr52f5l5j1ibv7h9g7dsyl-python-semantic-version-2.8.5 
  3127	python-asn1crypto@1.4.0	/gnu/store/12xs95mcz9v9swwyinsagfdn0qa74rgw-python-asn1crypto-1.4.0 
  3126	python-cryptography-vectors@3.4.8	/gnu/store/5ww2a12dzyq8fbazwkqhn26wv5ahk1xj-python-cryptography-vectors-3.4.8 
  2754	python-pyyaml@6.0	/gnu/store/pxxnkbrljhizypjpfdl27djjzsyflnic-python-pyyaml-6.0 
  2542	python-dnspython@2.1.0	/gnu/store/m66znr3nwqb7w132yiw9iznzqif2z84r-python-dnspython-2.1.0 
  2539	python-pyasn1@0.4.8	/gnu/store/y8xmfzmigvkhx5qz30r1hviyrbl351gf-python-pyasn1-0.4.8 
  2499	talloc@2.3.3	/gnu/store/3a4kjg0gza37nww955wmn2fvr47vhcg2-talloc-2.3.3 
  2485	tdb@1.4.5	/gnu/store/mih377grfg6a0p29d9g073h2asgz2qhb-tdb-1.4.5 
  2474	sane-backends-minimal@1.0.32	/gnu/store/irsdxn937lk7kwzbzynv5jfsg23dg00w-sane-backends-minimal-1.0.32 
  2466	iso-codes@4.5.0	/gnu/store/wh8wjbcl3ra9rgqm8k03bvv44592d21q-iso-codes-4.5.0 
  2404	python-pygments@2.12.0	/gnu/store/daikb3nxqvqf26xaz0g07r9mpk3qppf9-python-pygments-2.12.0 
  2387	python-execnet@1.9.0	/gnu/store/d8bch78szsdzhwcf1xv2s33czqjngylp-python-execnet-1.9.0 
  2381	python-pytest-forked@1.3.0	/gnu/store/2sd0qgv2ahmfhrjqkffc95ha2vkg0v7l-python-pytest-forked-1.3.0 
  2356	python-docutils@0.17.1	/gnu/store/6lmz781dvgv32vri4yz3zabb7xb2ba9c-python-docutils-0.17.1 
  2145	python-pbr-minimal@5.5.1	/gnu/store/ylicyzxc1xi7jld73lnfay4vkkkzj3v2-python-pbr-minimal-5.5.1 
  2045	python-parameterized@0.7.4	/gnu/store/4avvz5qb327l5nv6vs8s9fvi3w0hnpg3-python-parameterized-0.7.4 
  2044	python-pyserial@3.5	/gnu/store/42s9wkvmb1mxwk2bcshhhhinkqa1fk62-python-pyserial-3.5 
  2036	python-scour@0.38.2	/gnu/store/vdbf89hbs3md00iaiz181d2lnxv6n0ph-python-scour-0.38.2 

[…]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Anyway, I think we must address that, but I also think we can’t afford
to delay the merge any longer or the updates will be stale.

Thus I propose to merge today, for real this time.

Objections?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Tom Fitzhenry]

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> It went from 17.1% to 17.3% in two days, even though the AArch64
> machines have been busy all along it seems.  Maybe they’ve been
> processing the backlog that had accumulated on ‘master’ rather than the
> things we care about.

Per https://issues.guix.gnu.org/55848, it looks like
grunewald/kreuzberg/pankow are busy processing jobs, but each time
failing after 15 minutes with the same network-level error.

> Objections?

SGTM!

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Efraim Flashner]

On June 11, 2022 9:53:14 AM UTC, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:
>
>> My main concern is that so few of the missing items are queued to be
>> built.
>
>I wonder if that info is accurate.
>
>For instance, https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/716980/details shows the
>derivation for /gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3.
>It is queued, just not being processed (yet).
>
>> I've restarted some of them manually, but we're going to need to tell
>> cuirass to rebuild those packages.
>
>It went from 17.1% to 17.3% in two days, even though the AArch64
>machines have been busy all along it seems.  Maybe they’ve been
>processing the backlog that had accumulated on ‘master’ rather than the
>things we care about.
>
>--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>$ ./pre-inst-env  guix weather -s aarch64-linux -c200
>computing 18,932 package derivations for aarch64-linux...
>looking for 19,704 store items on https://ci.guix.gnu.org...
>https://ci.guix.gnu.org
>  17.3% substitutes available (3,410 out of 19,704)
>  at least 22,359.4 MiB of nars (compressed)
>  24,158.2 MiB on disk (uncompressed)
>  0.008 seconds per request (127.0 seconds in total)
>  128.7 requests per second
>
>  0.0% (0 out of 16,294) of the missing items are queued
>  at least 1,000 queued builds
>      powerpc64le-linux: 987 (98.7%)
>      aarch64-linux: 12 (1.2%)
>      x86_64-linux: 1 (.1%)
>  build rate: 40.03 builds per hour
>      x86_64-linux: 16.83 builds per hour
>      aarch64-linux: 11.23 builds per hour
>      i686-linux: 9.03 builds per hour
>      powerpc64le-linux: 3.04 builds per hour
>1496 packages are missing from 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org' for 'aarch64-linux', among which:
>  14236	libxft@2.3.3	/gnu/store/2smylcjq5cppxcrj2mn229hlmh6bf7w4-libxft-2.3.3 
>  12379	nghttp2@1.44.0	/gnu/store/4cs553aj8x1xbavfzfdh4gn5idf5ij81-nghttp2-1.44.0-lib /gnu/store/4phvjrp12n8bfpncyp89414q2pa4d46q-nghttp2-1.44.0 
>  10066	icu4c@69.1	/gnu/store/n9nx5rmnhdf3hdswhvns31diayq9vfq2-icu4c-69.1 
>  7723	jbig2dec@0.19	/gnu/store/lrpczm2m0agx0x5rp6kmn8c46mc85l35-jbig2dec-0.19 
>  6989	ninja@1.10.2	/gnu/store/jdq3xrcj0am4j698xr81hwgj8skcn7xq-ninja-1.10.2 
>  6927	python-libxml2@2.9.12	/gnu/store/swgvpb6pb6nf84a08m8flmy7fjhxwvni-python-libxml2-2.9.12 
>  6924	mallard-ducktype@1.0.2	/gnu/store/662lari1slhz56q8333sdczq1av9f799-mallard-ducktype-1.0.2 
>  6552	libxt@1.2.1	/gnu/store/rqqkla9kqjq3182gdqynkq2jb4jf2bl5-libxt-1.2.1-doc /gnu/store/82pzzkny0gwdfkfa5zvnyy4vbzxqnwyy-libxt-1.2.1 
>  6503	python-fonttools@4.28.5	/gnu/store/vp3g1ddrv067gay8zk1xd7c0kcgq1cv5-python-fonttools-4.28.5 
>  5120	python-wheel@0.37.0	/gnu/store/0rmkfrmrjsvf2hvl9px7h3g91zypmycz-python-wheel-0.37.0 
>  5113	python-flit-core-bootstrap@3.5.1	/gnu/store/pcwmq56r3wb8wdv8blj8ajfsmvcj6wm1-python-flit-core-bootstrap-3.5.1 
>  4555	openblas@0.3.20	/gnu/store/wc8cbkcvgqkdf65fj7drb82plkf8igyw-openblas-0.3.20 
>  4231	libxfixes@6.0.0	/gnu/store/h70i9gyvif5kzpw7a8bdaxhw7sqiv7wz-libxfixes-6.0.0 
>  4041	python-markupsafe@2.0.1	/gnu/store/1k63s700a1sy3pvcms0kax7csqsjzxdr-python-markupsafe-2.0.1 
>  3788	libxrandr@1.5.2	/gnu/store/9gqkb75sr60lxic9a3nx543a6wxz0866-libxrandr-1.5.2 
>  3563	eudev@3.2.11	/gnu/store/nvdlxv30l6f06nclls7j6zi4s8cm1jnc-eudev-3.2.11 /gnu/store/5ja9bj947iir15ypmqzrwxk04w6vhiyz-eudev-3.2.11-static 
>  3360	libpsl@0.21.1	/gnu/store/5jyxcfsgk0hsj6rzfsz84wnap6bn57ka-libpsl-0.21.1 
>  3329	libevent@2.1.12	/gnu/store/28iivyxgqvnp2alx2fyqqx18md7pwja8-libevent-2.1.12-bin /gnu/store/cvvsdqkcb8z78bh7rhzirv2n4sb4svgg-libevent-2.1.12 
>  3320	libxkbfile@1.1.0	/gnu/store/kk0xk8j8ffgxvfs5kz1vxp2ipz28xwh4-libxkbfile-1.1.0 
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>
>Anyway, I think we must address that, but I also think we can’t afford
>to delay the merge any longer or the updates will be stale.
>
>Thus I propose to merge today, for real this time.
>
>Objections?
>
>Thanks,
>Ludo’.

Let's do it

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Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:

> Let's do it

Soooo… turns out commit e31ab8c24848a7691a838af8df61d3e7097cddbc on
‘master’ unwillingly triggered a rebuild of 2K packages.

It’s too late to revert (they’ve been built anyway), but I’ve merged
‘master’ in ‘staging’ so they can be built there.

Which means I’ll merge ‘staging’ in ‘master’ tomorrow morning if nothing
has collapsed by then.  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello Guix,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:

> Which means I’ll merge ‘staging’ in ‘master’ tomorrow morning if nothing
> has collapsed by then.  :-)

Merged, enjoy!  :-)

Thanks to everyone who helped on the way!

Next up: release and ‘core-updates’.

Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Thiago Jung Bauermann]

Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Hello Guix,
>
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> skribis:
>
>> Which means I’ll merge ‘staging’ in ‘master’ tomorrow morning if nothing
>> has collapsed by then.  :-)
>
> Merged, enjoy!  :-)

Nice!

> Thanks to everyone who helped on the way!

Thank you for merging the branch!

> Next up: release and ‘core-updates’.

Exciting times. :-)

-- 
Thanks
Thiago

Release ? (was: Merging ‘staging’?)

[zimoun]

Hi,

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:03, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

> Merged, enjoy!  :-)

Cool!


> Next up: release and ‘core-updates’.

Do you want to do a ’core-updates’ merge before the release?  I think a
release on July would be very welcome.  WDYT?


Cheers,
simon

Re: Release ? (was: Merging ‘staging’?)

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:32:13PM +0200, zimoun wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:03, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Merged, enjoy!  :-)
> 
> Cool!
> 
> 
> > Next up: release and ‘core-updates’.
> 
> Do you want to do a ’core-updates’ merge before the release?  I think a
> release on July would be very welcome.  WDYT?

I think we do release and then core-updates, before we get bogged down
in fixing packages in core-updates.

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Re: Release ?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il> skribis:

> I think we do release and then core-updates, before we get bogged down
> in fixing packages in core-updates.

Agreed!

Ludo’.

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:17:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?
> 
> Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
> couple of days.  Thoughts?
> 
> Ludo’.
> 

I mostly succeeded in updating my rock64 aarch64 machine

guix time-machine --branch=staging -- package -m ~/keep/guixsd/rock64-manifest.scm

but building llvm@11 fails (needed for mesa, I think).  The log ends with:

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(The build of llvm@11 also needed a few retries because gcc randomly
fails sometimes (once with a segfault).  That is not a Guix bug
though, I think, but peculiarities of the rock64.)

Regards,
Florian

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:19:30PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 11:17:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?
> > 
> > Overall it seems to me we should be able to merge ‘staging’ within a
> > couple of days.  Thoughts?
> > 
> > Ludo’.
> > 
> 
> I mostly succeeded in updating my rock64 aarch64 machine
> 
> guix time-machine --branch=staging -- package -m ~/keep/guixsd/rock64-manifest.scm
> 
> but building llvm@11 fails (needed for mesa, I think).  The log ends with:
> 
> [...]
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> cd /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build && /gnu/store/6lfyb68pdy0b1vggzbvw8grkv2ws6vhl-cmake-minimal-3.21.4/bin/cmake -E cmake_depends "Unix Makefiles" /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/llvm-11.0.0.src /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/llvm-11.0.0.src/unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build/unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary /tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build/unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/CMakeFiles/SecondLib.dir/DependInfo.cmake --color=
> Consolidate compiler generated dependencies of target SecondLib
> make[2]: Leaving directory '/tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build'
> make  -f unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/CMakeFiles/SecondLib.dir/build.make unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/CMakeFiles/SecondLib.dir/build
> make[2]: Entering directory '/tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build'
> make[2]: *** No rule to make target 'unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/%p/Inputs/macho-universal.x86_64.i386', needed by 'unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/CMakeFiles/SecondLib.dir/PipSqueak.cpp.o'.  Stop.
> make[2]: Leaving directory '/tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build'
> make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:115594: unittests/Support/DynamicLibrary/CMakeFiles/SecondLib.dir/all] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/guix-build-llvm-11.0.0.drv-0/build'
> make: *** [Makefile:159: all] Error 2
> error: in phase 'install': uncaught exception:
> %exception #<&invoke-error program: "make" arguments: ("install") exit-status: 2 term-signal: #f stop-signal: #f> 
> phase `install' failed after 317.1 seconds
> command "make" "install" failed with status 2
> 
> 
> (The build of llvm@11 also needed a few retries because gcc randomly
> fails sometimes (once with a segfault).  That is not a Guix bug
> though, I think, but peculiarities of the rock64.)
> 
> Regards,
> Florian

I know I've built llvm@11 and mesa on aarch64 hardware for staging.
Also, you're missing the actual error message there, We only have
Error 2. I was able to build my pine64's OS config on staging although I
haven't tried deploying it.

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Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 08:41:21PM +0300, Efraim Flashner wrote:
> I know I've built llvm@11 and mesa on aarch64 hardware for staging.

Oh I see I'm missing the last merge; I'm still at commit b422687cbd.

I will try again with staging at 091eb323ba27.  But it will take a
long time; feel free to proceed regardless.

Regards,
Florian

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 09:02:14PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> I will try again with staging at 091eb323ba27.

llvm@11 was built successfully.  Sorry for the noise.

Regards,
Florian

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)]

On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 09:02:14PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> I will try again with staging at 091eb323ba27.  But it will take a
> long time; feel free to proceed regardless.

All my manifest built and runs on rock64 aarch64.  Thank you all!

Regards,
Florian

Re: Rock64 segfaults (was: Merging ‘staging’?)

[Timotej Lazar]

Hi,

sorry to hijack the thread – I found your post when debugging random
segfaults on the rock64, and just wanted to post a possible solution for
anyone having the same problem.

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> [2022-06-09 19:19:30+0200]:
> (The build of llvm@11 also needed a few retries because gcc randomly
> fails sometimes (once with a segfault).  That is not a Guix bug
> though, I think, but peculiarities of the rock64.)

This seems to be a hardware issue that can be fixed by downclocking the
memory¹. Mainline u-boot has two variants of the rk3328-sdram-lpddr3
.dtsi file, so I just did

    (define u-boot-rock64-rk3328/666
      (package
        (inherit u-boot-rock64-rk3328)
        (arguments
         (substitute-keyword-arguments (package-arguments u-boot-rock64-rk3328)
           ((#:phases phases)
            `(modify-phases ,phases
               (add-after 'unpack 'change-ddr-clock
                 (lambda _
                   (substitute* "arch/arm/dts/rk3328-rock64-u-boot.dtsi"
                     (("rk3328-sdram-lpddr3-1600.dtsi") "rk3328-sdram-lpddr3-666.dtsi"))))))))))

and used that for the bootloader:

    (bootloader
      (bootloader-configuration
        (bootloader
          (bootloader
            (inherit u-boot-rock64-rk3328-bootloader)
            (package u-boot-rock64-rk3328/666)))
        …

With this I was able to compile both gcc and llvm several times; before,
compilation would reliably crash within an hour unless it was done using
a single core. I assume performance with the lower memory rate is
considerably worse, but I haven’t done any measurements.

It’s very nice that I can include this in my OS configuration and then
pretty much forget about it. Big thanks to all guix for a system where
making such changes is so simple!

Regards,
Timotej

¹ https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15082-rock64-focal-fossa-memory-frequency/

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Thiago Jung Bauermann]

Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> ‘guix weather -s i686-linux’ says 89% (which is underestimated, because
> it wrongfully checks for all the packages, including unsupported
> packages), which sounds good.
>
> We have to check for AArch64 & co.  Any takers?

Sorry for the delay. I've built some packages from the staging branch on
powerpc64le-linux (including Emacs, which brings in a lot of stuff) and
it seems good.

-- 
Thanks
Thiago

Re: Merging ‘staging’?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Thiago Jung Bauermann <bauermann@kolabnow.com> skribis:

> Sorry for the delay. I've built some packages from the staging branch on
> powerpc64le-linux (including Emacs, which brings in a lot of stuff) and
> it seems good.

That’s good news, thanks for testing!

Ludo’.

Re: Release v1.4?

[Josselin Poiret]

Hello everyone,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Thanks for the heads-up!  I think merging ‘staging’ should be
> top-priority.  People are welcome to upgrade/reconfigure from it with:

I'm currently running on staging with no bugs to report (x86_64-linux)!

Should we also make use of the point release to remove some deprecated
things/switch some defaults?  I'm thinking of:
* removing the swap-devices deprecation warning and compatibility code;
* removing the bootloader-configuration-target warning and compatibility
code;
* switching gdm-configuration-wayland? to #t, so that the OOB experience
with Wayland sessions is better.

All of those have roughly been in Guix for ~6 months, so it would seem
fair to me to move on.  There may be many other deprecations that we
could remove, but those are the ones I'm aware of, feel free to add your
own :)

I have patches for the 3 above, if we agree to move on with this (with a
NEWS entry for the third).

WDYT?
-- 
Josselin Poiret

Re: Release v1.4?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> skribis:

> Should we also make use of the point release to remove some deprecated
> things/switch some defaults?  I'm thinking of:
> * removing the swap-devices deprecation warning and compatibility code;
> * removing the bootloader-configuration-target warning and compatibility
> code;

I don’t think we can do that because there hasn’t been any new release
in the meantime, unfortunately.  Better wait for a few months after 1.4.

> * switching gdm-configuration-wayland? to #t, so that the OOB experience
> with Wayland sessions is better.

Perhaps I’m biased because I use Xorg, but I wonder how good a default
that is?  To put it differently, what fraction of the user base uses
Wayland?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Release v1.4?

[Gábor Boskovits]

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Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. jún. 15., Sze
11:12):

> Hello!
>
> Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> skribis:
>
> > Should we also make use of the point release to remove some deprecated
> > things/switch some defaults?  I'm thinking of:
> > * removing the swap-devices deprecation warning and compatibility code;
> > * removing the bootloader-configuration-target warning and compatibility
> > code;
>
> I don’t think we can do that because there hasn’t been any new release
> in the meantime, unfortunately.  Better wait for a few months after 1.4.
>
> > * switching gdm-configuration-wayland? to #t, so that the OOB experience
> > with Wayland sessions is better.
>
> Perhaps I’m biased because I use Xorg, but I wonder how good a default
> that is?  To put it differently, what fraction of the user base uses
> Wayland?
>

Do you think we can use download statistics to estimate this?
>

Regards,
g_bor

>
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.
>
>

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Re: Release v1.4?

[Josselin Poiret]

Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>> * switching gdm-configuration-wayland? to #t, so that the OOB experience
>> with Wayland sessions is better.
>
> Perhaps I’m biased because I use Xorg, but I wonder how good a default
> that is?  To put it differently, what fraction of the user base uses
> Wayland?

I'm not sure, it does seem like a fraction of people use it on IRC but
then again it's more likely that Wayland users would talk about it, X
being the default.  If there are no outstanding bugs with Wayland Gnome
though, I think it'd be a better choice: no tearing in the default
configuration, and better designed.  GUI Toolkits seem to have adapted
pretty well, and we still have XWayland for the rest.  The most glaring
non-Wayland app would be Emacs, but emacs-next-pgtk is fully
Wayland-native.

For me the #1 reason though is onboarding experience: take a user of
another distro that uses their favorite Wayland compositor, and wants to
try out Guix.  They install it through the Guix installer, and don't
understand (yet) how to read the whole documentation and write their own
config file fully.  They add sway to their system packages, reconfigure,
but next reboot GDM doesn't show Sway in the available sessions; they then
decide it's not worth their time and go back to their old distro.  This
default change would make sure that it Just Works Out of The Box™ on
first install.

For the other deprecation changes, I agree, let's just wait a bit longer.

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret

Re: Release v1.4?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> skribis:

> I'm not sure, it does seem like a fraction of people use it on IRC but
> then again it's more likely that Wayland users would talk about it, X
> being the default.  If there are no outstanding bugs with Wayland Gnome
> though, I think it'd be a better choice: no tearing in the default
> configuration, and better designed.  GUI Toolkits seem to have adapted
> pretty well, and we still have XWayland for the rest.  The most glaring
> non-Wayland app would be Emacs, but emacs-next-pgtk is fully
> Wayland-native.

So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds like a
recipe for a poor user experience, no?

(FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)

> For me the #1 reason though is onboarding experience: take a user of
> another distro that uses their favorite Wayland compositor, and wants to
> try out Guix.  They install it through the Guix installer, and don't
> understand (yet) how to read the whole documentation and write their own
> config file fully.  They add sway to their system packages, reconfigure,
> but next reboot GDM doesn't show Sway in the available sessions; they then
> decide it's not worth their time and go back to their old distro.  This
> default change would make sure that it Just Works Out of The Box™ on
> first install.

Yeah, understood.  (I think we should have a section in the manual
documenting, with actual examples, how to set up Wayland!)

Surely there’s a geek audience who expects Wayland, and another geek
audience who needs X for their tools; in between, there’s probably a lot
of people who’s fine either way.

I have no objection to defaulting to Wayland, but my gut feeling is that
we have enough on our plate for 1.4 already, so I’d rather delay that
post-release.

WDYT?

Ludo’.

Re: Release v1.4?

[Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.]

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds 
> like a
> recipe for a poor user experience, no?

The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just 
about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've 
been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost 
indistinguishable from either the ‘pgtk’ branch or the mainline, 
X-only branch.

> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these 
> geeky
> tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)

This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix 
offering the option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers 
out of the box as all it does is offer more options for users.

> I have no objection to defaulting to Wayland, but my gut feeling 
> is that
> we have enough on our plate for 1.4 already, so I’d rather delay 
> that
> post-release.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that 
setting the ‘wayland’ flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes 
Wayland to be used for your desktop environment, it merely 
*allows* it to be selected from the greeter. When logging in you 
can select from Gnome under X, Gnome under Wayland, or other 
window managers you may have installed under either 
environment. Without that flag only the X11 window managers will 
be selectable.

-bjc

Further thoughts on Xorg "vs" Wayland etc -- was: Re: Release v1.4?

[bokr]

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Hi brian, et al,

On +2022-06-17 11:37:18 -0400, Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote:
> 
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds like a
> > recipe for a poor user experience, no?
> 
> The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just about
> everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've been running it
> for some time now. The user experience is almost indistinguishable from
> either the ‘pgtk’ branch or the mainline, X-only branch.
>

Yes, and NB:  Xwayland does not shut out native wayland.

It may even share more nicely than that, depending on system.
On my old Puri.sm Librem13v4 PureOS/amber-variant-of-debian system...
-----------cut here---------------start------------->8---
# $ uname -rv
4.19.0-19-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.232-1 (2022-03-07)
-----------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
...I can switch back and forth between Xwayland that does
all the stuff that needs X or Xorg (gnome and browsers, and Audacity
and all that) and my hacky experiments with bypassing X and
talking to the compositor in C.

The compositor happily places my pixel buffers on the screen together with
firefox or texworks or whatever else is running, so there is not necessarily
a Wayland "vs" Xorg conflict. YMMV I would guess, but works for me :)

This seems to me like it demonstrates an opportunity to encourage developers
to get their feet wet with X-server-indepedent apps. (That doesn't mean
giving up all the graphics and font software that paints pixels into buffers --
it "just" factors out the buffer compositing)

My system also permits switching to a framebuffer ( /dev/fb0 ) tty3 based
environemt, while leaving the gnome gui stuff running.
Ctl-Alt-F3 gets me a console login prompt. Ctl-Alt-F2 switches me back,
whether I logged out of the console shell or not.

If you are a member of the video group, you can read and write the
frame buffer as a 1920x1080x4 byte mmap whose address you can get
with an ioctl. Other geometries are of course possble. 

I wrote some C to poke character cells from the kernel sun12x22 font.
Long time ago. I have been meaning to port my pixelpoking to wayland,
and have wip stuff, which I will share at some point :)

The reason I was in frame buffer mode today was the gnome side got
total locked, so I thought I could Ctl-Alt-F3 and kill off stuck bits.
Which I did -- killed the whole GUI side, in the end. An alernative
to rescue/maintenace mode, before going there, IOW.

But since I was there in console fb mode, I wanted to check that
my old font demo worked. It did :)

BUT: Fn Prt Sc had no hook like in gnome, so I wanted to save the
display. Guess what you can do?

To make a screenshot:
    xz -kzc /dev/fb0 > some_xzss_name.xz
To display such a screen-shot:
    xz -dc some_xzss_name.xz > /dev/fb0

This works fast, and the compression is better than the .png files from
gnome's screenshots. Of course this doess not coordinate with anything else
that may be painting the screen, so it will get mixed with updates in sometimes
curious ways, since the compositor avoids update screen areas it thinks haven't
changed. If you poke pixels there, they'll stay until the compositor gets someting
new for that area,

I'll try to attach one I made. It shows all the kernel sun12x22.c characters
with bounding boxes in red and hex index numbers at the array edges.

Maybe this dual fb0 and Xwayland capabilty could help someone?
You get it all "for free" with some systems, and it doesn't demand anything.

There is tricky stuff going on though. So no warranties
from me on any of this info :)


> > (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
> > tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)
>

I don't know how much work, but I would guess they can be made
to work alongside wayland, if not using wayland to best advanage.

Best would be to wean emacs of X, IWT.

Otherwise they can probably play nicely on the same back end,
not sharing screen space maybe, but flipping between with some key hit.

A quick check on if you have drm-driven displays:

-----------cut here---------------start------------->8---
# $ head /sys/class/drm/*/status
==> /sys/class/drm/card0-DP-1/status <==
disconnected

==> /sys/class/drm/card0-eDP-1/status <==
connected

==> /sys/class/drm/card0-HDMI-A-1/status <==
disconnected
-----------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

BTW, if you want to hack native wayland, I recommend [0]
to start with. The examples mostly worked for me.

but so much is developing so fast that things
like using anonymous files and mmap-ing them to pass
to wayland as private buffers may show up only
while your're looking for something else on stackoverflow
or wikipedia or reddit or ... you may miss it.

[0] https://wayland-book.com/introduction.html

Sorry to interpose so much, the context for "this" (I think) was:

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> > (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
> > tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Well, I think some may be able to switch, or coexist. But I've been wrong before :)

> This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix offering the
> option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers out of the box as all
> it does is offer more options for users.
> 
> > I have no objection to defaulting to Wayland, but my gut feeling is that
> > we have enough on our plate for 1.4 already, so I’d rather delay that
> > post-release.
> 
> Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that setting the
> ‘wayland’ flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes Wayland to be used for your
> desktop environment, it merely *allows* it to be selected from the greeter.
> When logging in you can select from Gnome under X, Gnome under Wayland, or
> other window managers you may have installed under either environment.
> Without that flag only the X11 window managers will be selectable.
>

I think you must be right, Brian, or we should
"Make it So," as the Captain said.

> -bjc
>
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Bengt Richter

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Re: Release v1.4?

[Philip McGrath]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote:
> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds 
>> like a
>> recipe for a poor user experience, no?
>
> The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just 
> about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've 
> been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost 
> indistinguishable from either the ‘pgtk’ branch or the mainline, 
> X-only branch.
>

I'm on a foreign distro, but FWIW I've been using plain Emacs 27 with the KDE Plasma Wayland session on HiDPI displays for over a year, and I have no complaints. In fact, I didn't even realize Emacs wasn't Wayland-native until this thread. I took a look just now at the 'emacs-next-pgtk' package in Guix: it does look a bit nicer in a side-by-side comparison, but it's subtle. Either way, mostly Emacs just looks like Emacs. So I don't think Emacs should be a blocker for enabling Wayland by default.

-Philip

Re: Release v1.4?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi,

Brian Cully <bjc@spork.org> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds like
>> a
>> recipe for a poor user experience, no?
>
> The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just
> about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've
> been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost
> indistinguishable from either the ‘pgtk’ branch or the mainline,
> X-only branch.
>
>> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
>> tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)
>
> This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix offering
> the option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers out of the
> box as all it does is offer more options for users.

Sure.

> Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that setting
> the ‘wayland’ flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes Wayland to be
> used for your desktop environment, it merely *allows* it to be
> selected from the greeter. When logging in you can select from Gnome
> under X, Gnome under Wayland, or other window managers you may have
> installed under either environment. Without that flag only the X11
> window managers will be selectable.

OK, I wasn’t aware of that; if setting ‘wayland?’ to #t is this smooth
and basically indistinguishable for those who want to stick with X, then
I guess we should enable it.

I’m still unsure whether doing is before the release is reasonable,
given how much we have on our plate.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Release v1.4?

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 03:31:34PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Brian Cully <bjc@spork.org> skribis:
> 
> > Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >> So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds like
> >> a
> >> recipe for a poor user experience, no?
> >
> > The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just
> > about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've
> > been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost
> > indistinguishable from either the ‘pgtk’ branch or the mainline,
> > X-only branch.
> >
> >> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
> >> tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)
> >
> > This is correct, but I don't see why this should prevent Guix offering
> > the option for Wayland-based compositors/window-managers out of the
> > box as all it does is offer more options for users.
> 
> Sure.
> 
> > Unless I'm misunderstanding something, I don't believe that setting
> > the ‘wayland’ flag to #t in gdm-configuration causes Wayland to be
> > used for your desktop environment, it merely *allows* it to be
> > selected from the greeter. When logging in you can select from Gnome
> > under X, Gnome under Wayland, or other window managers you may have
> > installed under either environment. Without that flag only the X11
> > window managers will be selectable.
> 
> OK, I wasn’t aware of that; if setting ‘wayland?’ to #t is this smooth
> and basically indistinguishable for those who want to stick with X, then
> I guess we should enable it.
> 
> I’m still unsure whether doing is before the release is reasonable,
> given how much we have on our plate.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.

I think the only real question is what shows up first by default in a
fresh install. I believe by default SDDM will show the window manager
that was last used by default.

My current OS config, when I spin it up in a VM, lists
enlightenment/wayland before enlightenment/X11. I didn't test with
gnome.

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Re: Release v1.4?

[Josselin Poiret]

Hello,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
> So plain ‘emacs’ package doesn’t work on Wayland?  That sounds like a
> recipe for a poor user experience, no?

It does, but only through XWayland which is not ideal, and doesn't look
as good as Emacs on native X or emacs-pgtk on Wayland (font rendering in
XWayland isn't as good as either of those).

> (FWIW folks like me who use exwm, ratpoison, or one of these geeky
> tiling window managers probably can’t switch.)

Maybe someone would love to write ewwm? :p

> Yeah, understood.  (I think we should have a section in the manual
> documenting, with actual examples, how to set up Wayland!)
>
> Surely there’s a geek audience who expects Wayland, and another geek
> audience who needs X for their tools; in between, there’s probably a lot
> of people who’s fine either way.

What I was advocating was only to change GDM's default mode to Wayland,
not force everyone to use a Wayland compositor!  The reason is that GDM
running in X mode will not pick up Wayland sessions, whereas GDM running
in Wayland mode will happily list and launch both types.  Also, note
that X software can run on Wayland through XWayland, which is part of
the official xorg project and works quite well, minus some small
wrinkles such as the one noted above.

> I have no objection to defaulting to Wayland, but my gut feeling is that
> we have enough on our plate for 1.4 already, so I’d rather delay that
> post-release.
>
> WDYT?

Seems ok to me, since in any case most people trying out Guix in a VM
will `guix pull` before `guix reconfigure`'ing, as long as we do that at
some point it will work OOTB for them.  We can postpone all of this for
after the release.

Best,
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Josselin Poiret