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Vagrant Cascadian skribis: > On 2022-11-26, Simon Josefsson via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU S= ystem distribution." wrote: >> I find use of the term 'advanced' wrt Guix confusing and even mildly >> excluding, even though it is wide-spread. What is advanced about Guix? >> Can I use it even if I'm not an advanced user? What do others think? >> Is there some historical background for this description of Guix? > > Thanks for bringing this up! > > It does seem consistent with the guix manual section on package synopsis > and descriptions: > > https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Synopses-and-Descript= ions Indeed. :-) I=E2=80=99m fine with the patch Simon submitted and agree wit= h the rationale. [...] >> If we want to use the term, I think it would be better to rephrase >> things as 'Guix supports advanced features such as X, Y and Z' if we >> really want to drive home that we are advanced. > > This works for me... describe *why* it is advanced rather than just > proclaiming it. The second and third points (dependable and hackable) give an idea of what makes it advanced, so maybe we don=E2=80=99t need to add much? Or if we do want to explain more, then perhaps we need a list of features that would also include things like Docker/VM image generation, declarative home environments, etc. But that=E2=80=99s broader topic. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. PS: For the record, the phrase =E2=80=9Cadvanced distribution of the GNU sy= stem=E2=80=9D was coined by RMS at a time where he insisted that this thing cannot be called =E2=80=9Cthe GNU system=E2=80=9D. All this makes little sens= e, even less so today, but if you=E2=80=99re curious you may enjoy Andreas=E2=80=99 = entertaining talk: https://10years.guix.gnu.org/video/ten-years-of-failures/