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[205.233.125.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o5-20020a375a05000000b00748676d89e7sm1575885qkb.8.2023.04.07.14.21.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 07 Apr 2023 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel Subject: Re: GOOPS-less Shepherd References: <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:21:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r0swhilc.fsf@inria.fr> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22?= =?utf-8?Q?'s?= message of "Thu, 06 Apr 2023 22:16:31 +0200") Message-ID: <874jprtml8.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::834; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x834.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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The Shepherd had been using GOOPS from the > start but for no particular reason: there=E2=80=99s no inheritance and on= ly a > couple of cases of method overloading. > > I started that work, which mostly involves renaming things like > accessors following typical Scheme conventions: > > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/shepherd.git/log/?h=3Dwip-goopsless > > I imagine the following deprecation scenario: > > =E2=80=A2 0.10.x would still support GOOPS, as in (make =E2= =80=A6), but > that would be deprecated in favor of a more Schemey (service =E2=80= =A6) > form. Under the hood it=E2=80=99s still GOOPS. > > =E2=80=A2 1.0.x would no longer use GOOPS at all. We could provide a = =E2=80=98make=E2=80=99 > macro so that (make =E2=80=A6) would still kinda work. > > What=E2=80=99s at stake, mostly, is the ability to reconfigure a long-run= ning > shepherd instance. Once 1.0.x is in Guix, =E2=80=98guix system reconfigu= re=E2=80=99 > will most likely fail to upgrade services on a pre-0.10.x shepherd: > users will have to reboot. > > Thoughts? Sounds reasonable to me. Thank you for working on it! --=20 Thanks, Maxim