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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -9.57 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.57 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 622C35A6F1 X-TUID: Kh59YmnVcbGA Hi, On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 at 17:33, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> Yeah but for instance I barely use Info because I never remember how to >> navigate and often I have an approximate idea about what I am looking >> for and in this case, I am faster with the HTML documentation. > > That=E2=80=99s fine, we all have our preferences. :-) > > What makes Info (whether in Emacs or the =E2=80=98info=E2=80=99 command) = appealing to me > is that (1) it=E2=80=99s straight on my machine and off-line, (2) I=E2=80= =99m sure I=E2=80=99m > looking at the version of the manual that corresponds to the version I=E2= =80=99m > using, and (3) there are efficient and IMO intuitive navigation key > bindings (=E2=80=98n=E2=80=99 for =E2=80=98next=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98i=E2= =80=99 for =E2=80=98index=E2=80=99, arrows to scroll, etc.) Yeah, I never remember Emacs navigation keys because I do not find them intuitive. And I consider myself being comfortable with Emacs. :-) * usually the converse of the key =E2=80=99f=E2=80=99, here doing action f Follow a cross reference. Prompts for name. is the key =E2=80=99b=E2=80=99 but not here, it is =E2=80=99l=E2=80=99: l Go back to the last node you were at. (chronological) b Go to beginning of node. Well, as with EWW but I find that counter-intuitive. * the key =E2=80=99<=E2=80=99 is counter-intuitive for me < Go to first node ("Top") of current Info file. compared to EWW for instance, < beginning-of-buffer Or usually Alt-< is for beginning-of-buffer. * search is not intuitive: s term1 term2 RET then I expect to just type RET (as suggested =C2=ABUse =E2=80=98s RET=E2=80=99 to search again for =E2= =80=98term1 term2=E2=80=99.=C2=BB) but no: =C2=ABPoint neither on reference nor in menu item description=C2=BB. S= o I have to type again =E2=80=99s=E2=80=99 then RET. I can go via Isearch but = I am using Swipper so C-s is not Isearch by default and Swipper does not jump between the nodes by default, so I have to remember no C-s in this mode. Result, counter-intuitive for me. * last the most important: open a new buffer for reading something still keeping the other thing. It is really counter-intuitive: C-u f or C-u m depending on the nature of the link. Also it is possible to clone Info buffer. All in all is it counter-intuitive for me when on the other hand, all my needs of navigation are covered by only three: Right-Click -> Open=E2=80=A6 and C-f and Alt-Arrow > Should we expand > ? Well, from my side, I do not see what could be improved. Or make Info navigation less counter-intuitive for me? ;-) Another annoyance, for instance reading your email, I just press =E2=80=99B= RET=E2=80=99 and Emacs opens the link that I browse. I have nothing similar with Info. > Though again, it=E2=80=99s okay if others prefer to browse the HTML doc. Ok, let be back about your points: > (1) it=E2=80=99s straight on my machine and off-line, (2) I= =E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m > looking at the version of the manual that corresponds to the version = I=E2=80=99m > using About #1, that=E2=80=99s because we do not ship the HTML versions else it w= ould also be =C2=AB straight on my machine and off-line =C2=BB. :-) For instanc= e, on Debian: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ find /usr/share/ -type f -name "*.html" -print | wc -l 370 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- About #2, it is related to #1. :-) Well, as I said elsewhere: (a) we need to keep in mind the size of the documentation and (b) it will be better to also have CSS for a nicer rendering, :-) Cheers, simon