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From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Christine Lemmer-Webber Cc: "Thompson, David" , Ekaitz Zarraga , guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Guix (and Guile's) promise, and how to (hopefully) get there In-Reply-To: <87r083ht4p.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christine Lemmer-Webber's message of "Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:48:54 -0400") References: <6daee7b4-a5d6-4f80-bbfa-995e65e17ae0@elenq.tech> <87r083ht4p.fsf@dustycloud.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Quintidi 5 Brumaire an 233 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9vo?= =?utf-8?Q?lution=2C?= jour de l'Oie X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:12:05 +0200 Message-ID: <874j4ypo0q.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.83 X-Spam-Score: -2.83 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B2091763BE X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-TUID: UYR5NKmeeUr7 Hello Christine! Thanks for your thoughtful message and for the good vibes! It=E2=80=99s gr= eat to be able to count on the support and advice of an experienced leader. There are many things in your message, let me reply selectively. :-) Dave and you mention that you perceive Guix as =E2=80=9Con the decline=E2= =80=9D or =E2=80=9Cstagnant=E2=80=9D. According to Git and , the number of contributors is stagnant indeed, which I think comes from a number of factors, primarily: not enough review work is done by committers, as you wrote, and tooling (qa.guix) *and the folks taking care of it* have a hard time keeping up. I also think co-maintainers could have been stirring it up more than that. Email may be an additional factor but, as you write, not the main one=E2=80= =94we have no shortage of patches coming in! Regarding GNU, I tend to view it as a somewhat secondary issue, which doesn=E2=80=99t mean it should be neglected, but it=E2=80=99s perhaps less = of a priority than the other topics. So, governance. When I started the project, I thought that it will have been successful if I can quietly leave it and it keeps going; in that sense I was so happy when I left the maintainer collective! I=E2=80=99m not the only one who can do so, but I can certainly use my =E2= =80=9Csocial capital=E2=80=9D to support initiatives and help make progress on governance matters=E2=80=94I spent time recently defining the roles and responsibiliti= es of teams, and I plan to spend time to help shape the RFC process proposed last year: . But I also want to leave enough room to everyone. As you and Ekaitz wrote, each one of us can step up and take part in this work; some have experience with governance (be it for free software projects or for unrelated non-profits), others have energy and are willing to learn=E2=80=A6 And there=E2=80=99s also lots of non-governance work to do. Let=E2=80=99s = all do what we can to shape this project and keep it moving! I=E2=80=99m sympathetic with what Ekaitz wrote: we must take care of one an= other and not put too much burden on the shoulders of any single person. Ludo=E2=80=99.