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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641995798; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=LgqX6N6S6wsO9McFO7uEBC+UNMgF8h6Oz+wZwyGQFqE=; b=Mh68hJbFwLwH6oYVoWn/pb9sP6krx40wWDvCh02KaECPOVxHrw6BGljB/n1OT9eHW/pBZN xtGej4koNXxLbxgxRdlxLi7KiRQTBugE4LLTPWBBlJH3tLVHi+w+YLIPNbY3VWhSS0aD6F uGGGVR9vCptwOR+SQNSSnZdZSOSEGjGorf6i2jtpa6V8A187IsDJRTooQiNwj95LVX99n0 hzHmEGQCDZkr87/0zCHBTOrGdWcp4X8QMB4o+nPN3Fv8kIlkTd8A0ozONyaslg5vTw3h5r hswqWqBz6k3o6goVCOLWN/GhVEzDmMtR1yRvGZSXMmiplOayWmYuo8OrlJe2rQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641995798; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=rf77rEsd4R9ZQLgD6gJDAT+cEsur10I/t4uBieHqCQWExjxQnWjIh4Cl8pLsnlshjWpof1 bmVNXyIgy8n2XFW5n5n0l4gnlQDaugzHRTsVfkkXWbQ5WVBUUWr9Zzb0xISkUmdNXMZsuC fuS1q4CNC/EuexZeKx8jbGB9PCRaXoNdtCZPaI9y5pwP8JFyMh5Pp3UEHKLhC2USoOJdWs 23WUPaST7lUlo60KcFGj1V3C2E/lfKIcgWcX2yBl7F1UlmxX9UnJ//b7fLLxCjhxHhQc21 MOMuSVXLFqmCdjJSi+7Z8CYD4gagbE0kx+g0PeVjcbL2FYn+gsV7LvF4d7SGUQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nmmUJF7V; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=nmmUJF7V; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3C8901BFDB X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 8yWHiJQ13U3q Attila Lendvai writes: > this sounds nice, but the reality is that nowadays reviewing and > pushing commits can take weeks or even months without much feedback. i > even have a fix for git-authenticate, coupled with tests that > demonstrate a hole, and it's been open for months. i assume because of > the lack of bandwidth from people who are in position to review and/or > push it, but whatever the reason is, this is the case. > > the vision you are painting here is inspiring, but i think the Guix > community is reaching a size where such an organizational structure is > not facilitating the cooperation well enough. more and more random > people will show up, with contributions of varying levels of > quality. if it all goes through the current choke-points of the core > (people, guix-devel, etc), then they will get overwhelmed, or at least > will limit what could otherwise be achieved with more appropriate > tools/processes. You might have a point here, but I get the feeling that things are slowly changing to address it. Also, it's important to keep in mind that the sporadic contributor will always be more scrutinised. > random example: the readability of plain-text emails pouring into > guix-patches, compared to e.g. threaded, formatted, and > displayed-in-context comment threads in a tool like gitlab. I don't see how gitlab would help. Gnus, for instance, provides the formatting you mention. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"