lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Mark H Weaver]

I just noticed that I've been running an ssh server on my laptop for
quite a while unawares, because to my great surprise it is included in
%desktop-services.

Do most people want their desktop machines open to remote logins?
I certainly don't, and I don't think it's a sensible default.

What do other people think?

    Mark

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Alex Kost]

Mark H Weaver (2015-06-14 19:04 +0300) wrote:

> I just noticed that I've been running an ssh server on my laptop for
> quite a while unawares, because to my great surprise it is included in
> %desktop-services.
>
> Do most people want their desktop machines open to remote logins?
> I certainly don't, and I don't think it's a sensible default.
>
> What do other people think?

At first, I personally don't use '%desktop-services' or '%base-services'
because "I know better what I want".  And as you noted on IRC there
might happen such undesired effects if one uses «convenient pre-defined
variables».

However I think that a running ssh server is the expected default for
'%desktop-services'.

-- 
Alex

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:

> I just noticed that I've been running an ssh server on my laptop for
> quite a while unawares, because to my great surprise it is included in
> %desktop-services.
>
> Do most people want their desktop machines open to remote logins?
> I certainly don't, and I don't think it's a sensible default.
>
> What do other people think?

Strictly speaking, “desktop” sounds like it doesn’t need an SSH server.

However, the idea was that ‘%desktop-services’ would provide you the
typical set of services you get by default when installing another
“desktop” distro, and an SSH server is usually one of them.

That said, I can see your point, and I don’t feel strongly about it.
What do others think?

Ludo’.

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer]

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> What do others think?

I always have an ssh server running on my "desktop" machines, but I
would probably be surprised if a default "desktop" configuration had
this.  It seems counter-intuitive, and I can see someone use a trivial
password or no password on their desktop machine because they assume
it's not possible to log in to it via the network.

Especially in the utopian future where even many technically unsavvy
people use GuixSD, it might be a security risk. ;-)

Taylan

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Mark H Weaver]

Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> writes:
> However I think that a running ssh server is the expected default for
> '%desktop-services'.

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
> However, the idea was that ‘%desktop-services’ would provide you the
> typical set of services you get by default when installing another
> “desktop” distro, and an SSH server is usually one of them.

taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer") writes:
> I always have an ssh server running on my "desktop" machines,

Okay, I guess I'm an outlier, so I'll just stop using %desktop-services.

    Thanks,
      Mark

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com> writes:
> However I think that a running ssh server is the expected default for
> '%desktop-services'.

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
> However, the idea was that ‘%desktop-services’ would provide you the
> typical set of services you get by default when installing another
> “desktop” distro, and an SSH server is usually one of them.

taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bayırlı/Kammer") writes:
> I always have an ssh server running on my "desktop" machines,

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:
> Okay, I guess I'm an outlier, so I'll just stop using %desktop-services.


Just to add another data point: I would *NOT* expect an SSH server to be
enabled by default.  On workstations in the office I usually enable it
for convenience after setting up password-less logins, but I don't do it
on my mobile machines.

I don't think this belongs in %desktop-services; I would only assume
local convenience services like connection managers to be provided by
it.

~~ Ricardo

Re: lsh-server in %desktop-services ?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> skribis:

> I don't think this belongs in %desktop-services; I would only assume
> local convenience services like connection managers to be provided by
> it.

There seems to be consensus, so I’ve removed it from ‘%desktop-services’
in 4a3bcae.

Thanks!

Ludo’.