From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id gKIvJikK4l/WTwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:00:57 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id COgVIikK4l/zTQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:00:57 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46630940355 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj9k-0007je-2s for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj9V-0007iI-Ra for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krj9S-0001rw-29; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:38 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=44058 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1krj9R-00044i-Ev; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:37 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Arun Isaac Subject: Re: Word order in Guix l10n References: <86mtyf49x7.fsf@163.com> <87ft43b1g6.fsf@gnu.org> <878s9vf0vc.fsf@systemreboot.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 2 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 16:00:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878s9vf0vc.fsf@systemreboot.net> (Arun Isaac's message of "Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:33:03 +0530") Message-ID: <871rfh28do.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Zhu Zihao Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.82 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 46630940355 X-Spam-Score: -2.82 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: hxV8hanq/F+U Hi, Arun Isaac skribis: >> This looks like a real issue. I=E2=80=99m surprised this isn=E2=80=99t = already >> addressed though: after all, =E2=80=98printf=E2=80=99 format strings hav= e the same >> problem, right? How does everyone else deal with that? > > For C's printf format strings, gettext supports special syntax to > specify argument order. See > https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/c_002dformat-Flag.h= tml Oh, I see. > A German example is provided on that page. > > "%2$d Zeichen lang ist die Zeichenkette `%1$s'" With (ice-9 format), as has been suggested before, we should be able to do away with the =E2=80=9Cargument jumping=E2=80=9D syntax (info "(guile) F= ormatted Output"): (format #f "~1@*~d Zeichen lang ist die Zeichenkette `~0@*~a'" "ab" 2) It=E2=80=99s a bit awkward though, in particular because we have to jump to= the previous argument (0 and 1 here instead of 1 and 2). Does xgettext support that syntax? We=E2=80=99ve had troubles before with = ~*. If it does, where should we use this syntax in lieu of the simpler forms? Everywhere? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.