From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id WGJaMbmeJ2ChcwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:41:13 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id sD1TLbmeJ2DhDgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:41:13 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14CA221A01 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:41:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lArQN-0005AR-H1 for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:41:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lArPv-00058o-Ds for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:40:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lArPs-00085G-DC; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:40:42 -0500 Received: from [2001:980:1b4f:1:42d2:832d:bb59:862] (port=39238 helo=dundal.janneke.lilypond.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lArPp-0001MZ-4z; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:40:38 -0500 From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: Guix Day: Notes frome the Bootstrap session Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl References: <87y2fxr6w5.fsf@gnu.org> <878s7v37pw.fsf@gnu.org> X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:40:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878s7v37pw.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22'?= =?utf-8?Q?s?= message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:59:07 +0100") Message-ID: <871rdk9uge.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.86 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 14CA221A01 X-Spam-Score: -2.86 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: jOell7dqVX+2 Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: Hello, > > Jan Nieuwenhuizen skribis: > >> Attached the notes from the "Bootstrap what's next" session yesterday. > > Thanks for sharing! > >> - Making the guix build system code less dependent on Guile and more >> dependent on MES > > Not necessarily more dependent on Mes :-), but rather portable between > the two. Ah, sure -- my bad for simply forwarding the notes without really reading them, only adding the status update :-/ > On this topic, one action item we identified was to try and see what it > would take to run (guix build gnu-build-system) and the modules it > depends on on Mes. If we can run that on Mes during early bootstrap > (before Guile is built), then that=E2=80=99s a step towards removing the = big > =E2=80=98%bootstrap-guile=E2=80=99 binary seed. > > These modules require some Guilish module support as well as a bunch of > (ice-9 *) and (srfi *) modules. Perhaps with some tricks such as > autoloads, we can reduce the number of modules actually needed. > > Another option is to write a simplified but compatible subset of (guix > build gnu-build-system) specifically for use during early bootstrap. > > At any rate, the first step is to try to feed that code to Mes and see > what happens. :-) > > If you=E2=80=99ve always wanted to join the bootstrapping movement, now= =E2=80=99s your > opportunity! Yes, very nice! Note that we already have some experience with this: the Nyacc project is a Guile library that runs on Mes; only minor modifications were necesary. Greetings, Janneke --=20 Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE http://AvatarAcademy.com